mljdeckard
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Still doesn't make it a better tool for the job.
$300 and no gun at all, but...
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Certaindeaf
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The job? What job is that, pray tell? Have you ever shot a handgun?
Ed Ames
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Actually, if the job is to have on your person for the purpose of stopping attacks that may, but are unlikely to, occur as you go about your daily activities, yes it absolutely does.
Have you thought about why government officers... whether military or civilian... typically do not carry rifles as they fulfill their duties? Whether an army general or a sheriff's deputy, the primary weapon they carry is a handgun. That's no accident, and it's no mistake. They can afford either. They are trained with both. They carry a handgun because it is the better tool for the job.
mljdeckard
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Because their bosses are afraid of bad PR. You better believe they keep one in their vehicle.
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I said the pistol ON you is more effective than the long gun in the trunk.
Only after I got the rifle, which may or may not be an option.
I'm confused: why do you feel the need for a pistol when you keep a rifle so "close" all the time?
mljdeckard
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Because I want a full range of options.
Ed Ames
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So what do you do when you are somewhere your truck and ATV can't go?
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You're making my argument for me: the handgun can do things that the long gun cannot,
No one is arguing the pistol outperforms the rifle, just that the key element of the pistol is the convenience you seem to dismiss so readily.
First rule of a gunfight: Have a gun! A long gun in the trunk or even on handlebars isn't as handy as a pistol on the belt. This alone can easily make all the difference.
mljdeckard
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Look at it this way. I often recreate in the very most remote parts of Utah. Unfortunately pot growers do too. In the last few years, they have gotten more and more industrious. I talked to a DEA guy at the outdoor expo. I told him I was pretty sure that the growers were setting everything up, and paying the local shepherds to go check their water once a week. He told me I was wrong. They sit on the grows and they are well-armed. There are rivals to worry about, and there is a LOT of money riding on it. Now, if I ride up a canyon, and I stumble onto something I wasn't supposed to see, and I immediately turn around and go back the way I came, but at the front of the canyon, now there are three guys in the trail......Will I wish I had brought more than my SF-45A (which is usually what is in my chest holster)?
Certaindeaf
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Look at it this way.. are those like $250-300?
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I look at it as posed in the OP:
I have NO guns and only have $300 to buy one.
I'm buying a handgun
mljdeckard
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A used SKS or AK clone?
Certaindeaf
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I just looked and you're not the OP nor who I posted to just prior. Say again or perhaps not.
danez71
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In order to break up this circular standoff.....
How about look at it like this....
Buy a used Taurus Judge with the 6.5" barrel. Its a like a pistol, rifle, and shot gun all in one.
How about look at it like this....
Buy a used Taurus Judge with the 6.5" barrel. Its a like a pistol, rifle, and shot gun all in one.
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I responded to post #161, not your post #162. I just used your style of response, as we seem to agree.
mdauben
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Honestly, baring a smokin' deal on a used gun, there's nothing it that price range that I would actually want. This isn't to dismiss your question, just to clarify that I know next to nothing about that part of the market.
Looking at what I use a gun for; target shooting, plinking, hunting and SD, if I could only have one I'd want one suitable for SD (inclduing CC). That said, I suppose I'd pick a Hi-Point pistol in .45ACP and a good IWB holster. I've never shot one, but it's mentioned a lot as an economy option and the people who actually own them see to be fairly satisfied with them.
Started out as a good thread that is probably applicable to a lot of new and younger shooters that don't have a lot of cash to toss around but want to own a gun. Turns in to a couple of guys bashing each other over what type of weapon is best for every conceivable scenario.
For $300 you can get two guns and possibly three. A single shot 12g, single shot(or possibly semi) .22, and a used .22 pistol around here now that the scare has slacked off. I was in a local pawn shop last week and could have bought all three for less than $300. I actually bought a .22 semi for -$100 and almost bought a single .22 rifle but it was missing the elevation adjustment and I didn't know if I could find one. So I would have had two .22 guns and a 12g for well under $300 and could have gone to Walmart and bought some 12g ammo but I haven't seen .22 around for a while.
If all I wanted was one gun I would probably buy a pump 12g OR a pistol in 9mm. In normal times I could pick up a decent used gun or a new Hi Point and buy a small supply of ammo for $300. I choose 9mm if it is THE ONLY GUN I have because, in normal times, the ammo is much cheaper than .45 and if you only have $300 today it is unlikely you will have scads of cash in the near future.
But the 9mm is nowhere near as good as the 12g for shooting bears and a 45 would be better than the 9mm and a 20g is better than the 12g because of lower recoil and the semi is better than the pump and so forth and so on.......
For $300 you can get two guns and possibly three. A single shot 12g, single shot(or possibly semi) .22, and a used .22 pistol around here now that the scare has slacked off. I was in a local pawn shop last week and could have bought all three for less than $300. I actually bought a .22 semi for -$100 and almost bought a single .22 rifle but it was missing the elevation adjustment and I didn't know if I could find one. So I would have had two .22 guns and a 12g for well under $300 and could have gone to Walmart and bought some 12g ammo but I haven't seen .22 around for a while.
If all I wanted was one gun I would probably buy a pump 12g OR a pistol in 9mm. In normal times I could pick up a decent used gun or a new Hi Point and buy a small supply of ammo for $300. I choose 9mm if it is THE ONLY GUN I have because, in normal times, the ammo is much cheaper than .45 and if you only have $300 today it is unlikely you will have scads of cash in the near future.
But the 9mm is nowhere near as good as the 12g for shooting bears and a 45 would be better than the 9mm and a 20g is better than the 12g because of lower recoil and the semi is better than the pump and so forth and so on.......
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Sounds like you're trying to have a gun for "every conceivable scenario".......
Except for CCW
beatledog7
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OP here. The original idea was to get a sense of whether posters, pretending they own no guns but having $300 with which to purchase just one gun, would choose a do-most-things-ok firearm or a made-for-my highest-priority-manner-of-use firearm. I chose not to mention that underlying purpose in the original post.
It seems we had, before the thread turned into a bashing contest, about an even split. The general use winner has been some form of 12-ga shotgun, and the specific purpose winner has been something for concealed carry. Not very surprising.
It seems we had, before the thread turned into a bashing contest, about an even split. The general use winner has been some form of 12-ga shotgun, and the specific purpose winner has been something for concealed carry. Not very surprising.
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