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im thinking about a winchester sx-ar 308 my self. pretty much a copy fn scar 308.

uses same magazines. the mags are the down fall of it though. 3 20 round mags on gun broker go for 280 dollars.
 
I LOVE the M1a, the full auto version is the m14 and those run more than a new car.
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Yeah, but not a decent new car:neener:


If you want the NFA controlled full auto rifles chambered in the 7.62mmx51 NATO round, they can be found for less than many think.


I've seen BM-59s for less than $9K recently.

A M-14 clone can be had in the $12-13K range, with a true M-14 +/- $7K more.

G-3's around $15K.

And what would be my choice, the trusty FAL for <$14K.



While expensive, but still considerably less than the vehicles that most of us drive from a dealer cost.



Good Luck.
 
mags said:
I think you went to far the other way and didn't meet in the middle. Your posts makes it sound like the full auto M16 and an AR15 are the exact same thing. You are wrong.
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The thing is, he is kind of right. There isn't that much difference. When I was in the Army I only used the burst on my M-16A2 a few times. I really think that if they'd issued me an AR-15 instead, it wouldn't have really made the slightest difference in terms of my capabilities. As it was, I could still (and can still) run a rifle in semi-auto fast enough that people mistake it for FA fire.

For .308 rifles, I like the FAL, but it's not an "assault rifle" per se (as has previously been noted). It's also not a precision rifle. Some I've owned were very accurate, others were adequately so, but there are better choices if accuracy is what you really want. One thing you do need to consider if you're getting into .308 rifles is the cost of ammuntion. Feeding them isn't cheap. If you can afford the rifle but not the ammo, maybe you should choose a different rifle. Just a thought.

As for the term, I don't find it offensive. I believe that if you are trying to break into someone's home with the intention of harming them, you open yourself up to being assaulted. You try to rape a single mom and get cut in half by rapid fire from an AK? I'd say you got what you had coming. And if you're invading my shores (not likely, but still...), you also deserve to be assaulted with rifle fire. The issue isn't with the words, it's with the assumption that there is never a time when violence is acceptable. That mistaken belief is what we need to combat more than anything else.

But some have taken to using the term HDR (Homeland Defense Rifles) to denote a semi-auto military style rifle kept with the intention of having an effective defensive tool to use in times of crisis.
 
Believe it or not, Hornady is loading 7.92x33. About $1 per round.
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Is this actually a round, or did you mean 7.62x39 or 51? Actually, I kind of like the idea of a slightly wider, but shorter round.

I can see where everyone that does not like the term "Assault Rifle" is coming from. At the same time though, its kind of helpful to have a distinction between "EBRs/Assault Rifles" and other semi-automatic firearms. Personally, I don't see it as meaning that we intend to assault someone with the rifle, but rather, that it is the semi-auto version of the military firearm. If theres another word or phrase that can be, I'm all for it, but until then, I will continue to use the phrase EBR to refer to my Saiga.

To the OP, (Now that I have stepped down off my soapbox :D ) I have heard good things about the Saiga .308. I'm not sure about manufactures, but if you check out Atlantic Firearms, they have a section for 308 rifles.

I'm in the market (except that I'm broke, and an M1 Garand is next on the list) for a FAL myself, and I've heard some pretty good things about "The Right Arm of the Free World." If you decide to go that route, you might want to go on over to the FAL Files website - they have a buy/sell area where you sometimes have a shot at a pretty good deal.

Hope this was helpful,

Chris "the Kayak-Man" Johnson
 
The Remington R-25 is an AR platform rifle that is available in .308 Win. I love em. I would like to have one in 7mm-08 myself. I think it would be a dandy.
 
I don't like to assault rifles. It makes them unhappy :(

I prefer to take them out to play or work on them in my shop which usually makes both of us happier :)

Feeding a 308 is a bit much. But on semi and with a reason to pull the T, it's not unbearable. Spraying .30 lead is costly, no matter what gun it's coming from, at least with accurate ammo.
 
coloradokevin said:
A WORD REGARDING "ASSAULT" RIFLES:


jjwdb7,

As you may have gathered from the posts thus far, the term "Assault Rifle" isn't very popular around here. The problem with the terminology is simply that it leaves people believing that the sole purpose of a certain type of rifle is to wage a war, attack people, or engage in some other sort of armed conflict.

That purpose couldn't be further from the truth for most of the firearms that have been given this label. Simply put, they aren't being used to "assault" anything, and we don't want people who aren't familiar with firearms to associate semi-automatic (autoloading) guns with weapons of war. Most often these firearms are only used for lawful hunting, target shooting, competitive shooting, plinking, or home defense.

To take this issue a step further, similar looking military issued small arms are often built to be "selective fire" (fully automatic / burst). These types of firearms are quite different from the rifles that you or I are buying over-the-counter at the local sporting goods store.

In recent decades the term "Assault Rifle" has become very popular within the somewhat powerful anti-gun lobby, and it probably isn't wise to perpetuate such a misleading term among those of us who do engage in shooting-related activities. Simply put, using this terminology adds fuel to the argument that this lobby is trying to sell, by giving them an opportunity to identify these firearms as devices that were designed solely for the purpose of "assaulting" someone.

Common sense tells us that virtually any item can be used to assault another person, but we certainly don't want to give the general public the impression that our firearms are going to be used for such illicit purposes, or that these guns will allow us to dominate the neighborhood streets with machinegun fire (such an idea may sound ridiculous to you, but the anti-gun lobby has certainly tried to "sell" these fears in the past).



Anyway, more to the point of your question regarding semi-automatic .308 Win rifles:

I really like the Springfield Armory M1A style rifle. These were roughly modeled after the old M-14 rifles, and they are known for being very accurate. They look quite nice in a walnut stock configuration, and are plenty functional with the synthetic stocks. They aren't cheap, but they shoot great.

The AR-10 platform is also popular, though there isn't much to say about these (it is basically an AR-15 built to chamber the .308 Win).
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I was hoping someone other than me cringed a bit. The term "Assault Rifle" is a political term created by California ant-gun legislation to ban semi-automatic rifles in the 1980s. The AR in AR-15 really stands for Armalite rifle, after the company that developed it in the 1950s.

Politicians love sound bites, especially scary ones that are not factual.
 
Sorry about the thread hijack, but just one more and then I'll shut-up. Since the early 19th century, civilian sporting rifles have evolved from their military predecessors. The arms of today's sporting rifles just follows the same. Accurate, dependable and all weather.
 
The term "Assault Rifle" is a political term created by California ant-gun legislation to ban semi-automatic rifles in the 1980s.
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"Assault Rifle" is a term coined by Hitler (German Sturmgewehr) and subsequently adopted in the English speaking world to describe the sort of weapon the StG-44 was -- intermediate cartridge, select fire, military weapon.

You may be thinking of "assault weapon," which does seem to be a term of political convenience to lump military style rifles in with whatever else is not the politically correct flavor of the day.

Believe it or not, Hornady is loading 7.92x33. About $1 per round.
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Is this actually a round, or did you mean 7.62x39 or 51? Actually, I kind of like the idea of a slightly wider, but shorter round.
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7.92x33 is the cartridge used in the WW2 German StG-44. Ballistically it's inferior to more modern stuff and was only ever used in that weapon (+/- some early prototypes of the FAL), but it'd still get the job done even today. And shot through a kind of heavy StG-44 with its relatively modest automatic ROF it's actually very controllable and fun to shoot (except the thing has metal handguards and gets real damn hot on auto real fast).
 
I just bought the AR-10 w/piston, so far love it but the other day i bought an collapsable stock with and a shorty recoil arrestor, so do u still have to use a AR-10 buffer tube and spring or do u use the AR-15 tube and spring
 
Technically its not a (Sturmgewehr) assault rifle if it isn't full auto. The whole reason they cut the round down was so it was controllable when used this way, and so the soldiers could carry more of them.


Hitler envisioned SS supermen overrunning and "assaulting" Russian positions with these "Wunderwaffe", saving the Third Reich from the Untermensch. They planned to replace the K98 with the STG44 but the war ended before this was possible, and do to infighting at the higher levels most of the STG44's that were made sat out the war in crates. But the Germans knew which way the wind was blowing in regards to infantry small arms and were already making the switch. The STG44's would allow the infantry to lay down a wall of fire to support the movement of the MG42 forward, sub guns would be phased out and probably use by police and occupation forces, and K98's would be relegated to snipers.

The Germans were so far ahead they even developed and fielded the first inferred NV sights on them, called the vampir.

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Essentially the 1944 equivalent of an M4 with a NV Acog on it.:D Remember we were fielding the Garand when they were starting to field that.:eek:
 
i'm not too impressed with what i've read about armalite.
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Which was? Lack of negative reports is what led me to my choice to go with Armalite. I'm not doubting you, just wondering what I missed.
 
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