308 vs 30-06

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I am about to purchase my first centerire rifle and I have narrowed the caliber down to either .308 or 30-06. This will be used primarily for coyotes but I want to have something that can easliy take a deer or be handy if the SHTF. Given the same rifle is one caliber preferable over the other?? Also, I am looking at the Remington 700 but have run across the 770. Does anyone have any experience with the 770?? Any information will be geatly apprciated.
 
The 770 will do the job, but a Savage Edge or Stevens 200 might be put together a little better. Between the 308 & the 30-06, flip a coin. I shoot a 308 and it does fine. If you are worried about fecal matter hitting the fan, learn to reload and stock up on enough components to load 5000 rounds.
 
No experience with the 770. I'd stick to the 700. Don't know about the parts interchangeability between the 770 and the 700, but parts, accessories, and aftermarket support are much higher for the 700, and it has a much more established reputation.

And I would stick to the .308. Either cartridge is more than adequate for deer and coyotes. For coyotes, something like Hornady's 110 gr TAP load should be devastating. For cheap (relatively) plinking, SHTF, or possibly to control damage to pelts, the 147 to 150 gr FMJ load should do the trick. Any 150 to 165 gr JSP or other hunting projectile should work very well on deer sized game, with the tougher 165 to 180 gr bullets being adequate for elk and other heavier game if the option ever becomes available to you. And there are lots of 168 to 178 gr OTM rounds available to help you get the most accuracy you can from the system on the range.

You'd really have to watch your backstop and be aware of the potential for ricochet, but for simplicity, I would probably stick to the 150 gr weight using two loads for pretty much everything--the standard GI ball load for coyotes, practice, and civil disorder/zombies/Red Dawn/ect., and a 150 gr expanding hunting load such as a Hornady Interbond or SST, Nosler Ballistic Tip, or the like for game such as deer. This would allow you to avoid having to learn multiple trajectories and zeroes for you rifle and optics.
 
i go with .308.

here's an article that lists a few of my reasons
http://www.snipercountry.com/articles/accuracyfacts.asp

"The Highpower Committee had received so many complaints of ties not being able to be broke between shooters using the .308 and shooting all their shots in the tie-breaking V-ring, something had to be done to resolve this issue. In 1966, the NRA cut in half the target scoring ring dimensions"

Before then, 30.06 was the popular competition round. In addition to that info, the .308 has so many government applications now that extensive testing has been done, less work for me.

just my thoughts. there are a lot of people who use 30.06 with success that i'm sure will post also.
 
Forget the 770.

As to the 30-06 vs 308. I've been debating that with myself for 40 years and still can't decide. I have several of each.

Pick the rifle you like and buy it in which ever caliber it comes in. If you decide on a full size rifle with a standard length and weight barrel might as well go 30-06.

If something a little lighter weight, with possibly a shorter than standard length barrel suits you then go 308.
 
308 is my main deer cartridge however I also have a 22-250 that is just as lethal on deer and a coyote laser. Don't even need a rangefinder! Either will do just fine but the 308 is a solid short action with a flat trajectory and can handle coyotes to elk with ease. I would go with the 700 or a Howa of one type or another. I personally prefer howa over remington and have owned several of each. The Howa is more reliable and just as accurate, but is a bit on the heavy side.
 
I am not a big proponent of the .308Win.; in fact I find it to be a poor substitute for the .30-06Spfd. It is an understatement to say that I greatly prefer the '06 (I believe it is amongst the best long action cartridges). IMO the best short action cartridges are the .260Rem., the 6.5x55mmSwede, and the 7mm-08Rem....the .308Win. being too slow and having too much undue recoil for my taste.

The 770 is a horrible rifle IMO. It exhibits poor design and execution. The machining is poor and the craftsmanship non-existent. I would purchase most anything before that rifle. The 700, whilst not my favorite (at least WRT the new ones) are tolerable, I suppose, but given the option I would choose something else. Marlin XL-7/XS-7 is a great budget rifle and will leave you a greater margin for optics. Savage makes several good moderately priced rifles that generally exhibit excellent accuracy (though I find them ugly as sin). Also Winchester's new Model 70 is a good option for a moderately priced, fairly light weight hunting rifle, that has good aesthetics, and a proven action.

:)
 
the 710 and its successor the 770 are pieces of crap, for the same price the Stevens 200 is a tackdriver, reliable. the .308 will do everything the "06 will do in the lower 48. the 30-06 kicks like a mule compared to the .308 and you can always load up with some big bullets if you ever decide to go for really big North American game, cant beat the '06 but the .308 will do the job and like I ssaid the Stevens 200 beats the cheap Remingtons all over.
 
Both .308 and 30-06 are good, but I like the 30-06 because it handles heavier bullets better. Also, 30-06 ammo is cheaper and easier to find milsurp. Check out the CMP for ammo-$120 for 240 rounds. Works out to .50 cents a round. The brass is good too and reloads well.
 
The 06 is the most versatile long distance cartridge out there. Id chose it over an 308 any day. I say this after just getting done cleaning a m1903 so it might be biases. The 308 is a fine round but if you only plan on one rifle the 06 is my vote.
 
.30-06 would be my choice, and IS, for that matter. I would also stick with the model 700. I've taken everything from deer and small sheep to moose with the .30-06. Very versatile caliber.

I'd like a .308 too (just 'cause), but it's a secondary choice.
 
jdrink said:
I am about to purchase my first centerire rifle and I have narrowed the caliber down to either .308 or 30-06. This will be used primarily for coyotes but I want to have something that can easliy take a deer or be handy if the SHTF. Given the same rifle is one caliber preferable over the other?? Also, I am looking at the Remington 700 but have run across the 770. Does anyone have any experience with the 770?? Any information will be geatly apprciated.

You mention this will be your 1st CF rifle, are you accustomed to the recoil that these offer? Either cartridge will easily do the job, both are much more than needed on coyotes. IMHO, a bolt doent make an ideal defense weapon. If I had to chose between the two I would opt for the 308 Win due to a lighter and handier rifle and most likely cheaper to shoot over the 30-06.
The M700 isnt a bad choice as you have many models to choose from. I would steer away from the 770 though. Since you mentioned the 770 which is an economical rifle you might want to take a look at the Marlin XL/XS line of bolt guns. They can be had around $300 and are quite nice for the price.
You might want consider a 223 Rem to start with , they have minimal recoil and ammo is easy and cheap to come by. Even with out handloading, it is by far cheaper to shoot, something to think about if you want to do alot of practicing and shooting. With the right bullet, it's very capable of taking deer. Of course , check with game laws to see if your state allows it.

The 260 Rem, 7-08, 6.5x55 as mentioned by maverick223 are good choices but due to their lack of general popularity you will have a harder time finding ammo and probably pay more for them. They are also not normally found in the more economical models, though I think the Marlin might be had in 7m-08.
 
The 260 Rem, 7-08, 6.5x55 as mentioned by maverick223 are good choices but due to their lack of general popularity you will have a harder time finding ammo and probably pay more for them.
Eh, 7mm-08Rem. is rapidly gaining in popularity (though no where near .30-06Spfd or .308Win.). The others are very difficult to find in stores.

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I have shot a 30-06 so I am well aware of the recoil. That is not an issue. I am looking for something that is good for long range shooting that has enough punch for large game. One of my main qualifications is that ammo is reasonably priced. It looks like both of these are similarly priced.
 
Given your last statement, .30-06Spfd hands down. It has better long range capability (when compared apples to apples) and has the capacity to take larger game (much better for elk, moose, and big bear). Ammo availability also slightly favors the '06 (though both are very much available in most locales), but price is a wash.

:)
 
I've never owned or fired a 770, but I was at a local gun store and handled 3 different 770s...caveat being that these are floor display models, the bolt on all of them was absolute crap. One of them actually hung up on the safety, the other two were about as smooth as 40 grit sandpaper.

IMO they are also ultra ugly.
 
The loading manuals (and the data on the ammunition boxes) shows that the '06 beats the .308 by about 100 FPS in lighter bullets and a bit more in heavier ones.

One hundred FPS is meaningless on game animals and targets, even at long range. So if you're planning on using 168 grain or lighter bullets, I don't believe the cartridge matters. If you want 180s, maybe the '06 is a better choice, and if you are one of those rare folks who sees the benefits of 200 and 220 grain bullets, the '06 is the obvious choice.

The .308 is technically a more accurate cartridge, but it takes a fine shooter and a special rifle to make the difference apparent. The difference is completely erased by the vagaries of mass-produced rifles. Based upon the rifles you are considering, "inherent cartridge accuracy" is simply not worth discussing.

Which leaves us with the "long action vs. short action" debate, and lord knows it won't be settled here! It boils down to the belief that a short action is a bit easier/faster to manipulate, that one is less likely to short stroke a short action, and that a short action rifle can be built a bit shorter and lighter. In reading back, it's obvious to me that those are all subjective things. I personally find no value in any of them, but have no quarrel with those who do - as long as they do not insist that any disagreement is "wrong".

I personally prefer the '06, primarily because I like heavy-for-caliber bullets. I have never in my life, however, experienced an instance where I could not have done with a .308 what I did with an '06.
 
I have two 308's and one 30-06.
Both are more than adequate for deer or coyotes.
I prefer the 308 for a variety of reasons.
One there is tons of different ammo available for it from hunting to fmj battle packs.
They recoil less.
They can be had in a short action carbine styled rifle.
My first deer rifle was a 30-06 and I used it for 25 years before taking up the 308.
The 30-06 now sits all by it's lonesome in the back of the safe.
 
I'd avoid that 770, someone else mentioned the stevens 200, for the affordable packages I think its a better rifle then the 770. You can get a 700 SPS pretty cheap, and can tweak it out down the road one piece at a time and turn it into whatever you want. Its a great platform. I like SA calibers, and 308 is available everywhere so that's a plus...always been a huge 30-06 fan though, great history. My first bolt action was an older 700 in 06, love it. Either would suite you fine.
 
.30-06, the most popular caliber here forever, can easily and cheaply be reamed into .30-06 Ackley Improved where you can shoot commercial .30-06 (already a little more powerful than .308) or the 100 fps faster reloaded Ackley ensuring you really have a .308 Magnum if you want it!

Otherwise, .308 is adequate ultimately for most uses in North America...

Al
 
If you are planning on reloading I would go with the .308. I have both calibers. I use the 30-06 for deer and elk and I use my .308 for personal defense (FAL with 20 round magazines). I recommended going with the .308 if you are going to reload because it uses about 20 less grains of powder per charge over the 30-06. The key with hunting is bullet placement over bore diameter. You will be fine with the .308 and will enjoy shooting it.
 
I would suggest that you go to the range, and test fire one that some of the fellas there are shooting. As a first-time centerfire, the .30-06 Sprg can say hello like two cups of coffee. The .308 Win is like a cup-and-a-half of coffee. Then, I'd drop the idea of the Remington 700, and check into the Weatherby Vanguard. The stock's castoff design reduces perceived recoil. Remington stocks in lighter rifles pound my face (cheekbone) mercilessly.

JMHO,

Geno
 
As a reloader I prefer the versatility of the .30-06, with over 100 years worth of data it can be loaded for any game from squirrel to bull moose. Nothing really wrong with the .308 it's a good round, it's just not the .30-06.
 
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