308 vs 30-06

[Maverick223]

Can you prove it, Maverick?

Can you prove me wrong, Robert? It has been proven with groupings from many different cartridges. The difference in accuracy is the components used, the consistency of ammunition, the quality of the firearm, and most importantly the skill level of the shooter. The chambering or cartridge has nothing to do with the potential accuracy. Do you really think that nitrocellulose knows what casing it is put into, and reacts differently due to the shape and size of the cartridge case?

 

[blackops]

I will always take the 700 over any other Remington model. A 308 will take a coyote or deer easily. A 30-06 will do the same from farther away. I imagine you won't hunt beyond 300yds. The 308 will do it.

 

[Robert Wilson]

Can you prove me wrong, Robert?

No. I cannot prove a negative. I can only point to the benchrest shooters, who seem to have better luck with short and fat cartridges than with, say, the .45-70.

It has been proven with groupings from many different cartridges.

I'm asking you to show me. My mind is open.

The difference in accuracy is the components used, the consistency of ammunition, the quality of the firearm, and most importantly the skill level of the shooter.

I accept that those are all extremely important. That doesn't mean that the cartridge is not, though.

The chambering or cartridge has nothing to do with the potential accuracy. Do you really think that nitrocellulose knows what casing it is put into, and reacts differently due to the shape and size of the cartridge case?

I have been shown evidence that a shorter and fatter powder column burns more consistently than a longer narrower one. That seems to be why the benchresters switched from the .222 to the 6PPC en masse. They could all be wrong, of course, but...

 

[45B@cav]

WOW, there is a lot of 770 bashing here. I was given a 770 in .308 and it has put a lot of meat in my freezer. I replaced the scope with some decent glass and it may not be a sniper rifle but it is not suppose to be. The only problem I had with it was the magazine floor plate would come off when the bolt was manipulated in a violent manner. It was easily fixed by bending the metal tabs out and that was it. I admit it is not as pleasing to the eye as many other rifles out there but the stock is durable and shoulders quickly and comfortably. It holds 1" with good ammo all day long. Maybe I got a good one or something but it's been a good rifle and the trigger is great for a $345.00 rifle.
As for .308 vs .30-06 I think it's a toss up. They are too close in performance to really say one is better than the other. Considering you said Coyote and Deer I don't think there is a difference. In another rifle the action length could be shorter in .308 but in the 770 they are all long action.
I don't want a argument here I was just giving my 2 cents. The 770 is not my only gun or my favorite bolt gun but it's not a POS.

 

[Maverick223]

I can only point to the benchrest shooters, who seem to have better luck with short and fat cartridges than with, say, the .45-70.

They are chosen because they afford better component availability, lesser felt recoil (with plenty of energy to punch a hole in paper), and flat trajectory; the case has nothing to do with it. Put them in a machine rest and they all will group nearly the same (with an apples to apples comparison).

 

[saturno_v]

The 30-06 is much more versatile than a 308

You can shoot up to 240 and 250 gr. bullets (for example, the 240 gr. Woodleigh) which have tremendous SD and penetration capabilities.

While the power difference may not be big with light bullets and/or short barrels (22" or less) with heavier slugs and/or long barrels (24" and up) the 30-06 pulls significantly ahead (especially if you reload or with premium ammo brands)

The -06 is truly the king of all around cartridges...from coyotes to polar bears you are well covered....if a hunter in North America would be limited to only one rifle, it should be a 30-06....

 

[HOOfan_1]

I was given a 770 in .308 and it has put a lot of meat in my freezer.

how is the action on it? Never shot one, but I handled three different display models at a Gander Mountain and the bolt travel was absolutely horrible. Some were just rough, some got hung up on the safety or bolt release. The 770 is dirt cheap, like the Savage Edge, but there are plenty of bolt guns out there maybe $50-$100 more that I would go for instead.

Savage 111, Thompson Center Venture, Weatherby Vanguard

or step it up $200-$300 and go for Remington 700, Tikka T3

personally I have always preferred a wooden stock. I can't drive an ugly car or shoot an ugly gun.

but I was lucky enough to inherit guns to suit any situation which I need them for...and they all look great to me. I have actually never bought myself a gun and when I go looking to buy I can set aside enough money for what I think looks good. Obviously some people want a good valuable shooter and not a work of art.

 

[Art Eatman]

And once again we've wandered well away from the opening post...