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Charter only made these in .32 S&W Long.
32 H&R fans rejoice
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I returned my gun to the factory for "adjustment" as it was shooting 7" low at 10 yards, when it returned it was shooting 6" low. I had high hopes this gun would be a good plinker as I'm a huge fan of anything in 32 caliber. Sorry CA, this will be the last gun you'll be selling me.
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That's exactly what happened to my " Professional". On another recent thread you can see that I took matters into my own hands and milled more material off of the top of the barrel. Hope to shoot it this weekend and will let folks know......
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I find this most frustrating since this whole debacle could have been adverted by simply going with an adjustable rear sight. Is there a reason why most, if not all, revolvers with 3" and less barrels all are fixed sights?
I'm going to guess that it is because they designed to be up close SD guns. Adjustable sights are good on guns with full length barrels where one most likely would get up to eye level to aim. I will say that i like the aesthetics of a fixed rear sight. All business and as rugged as they come. However, in this case, and in most, an adjustable rear would make a difference. Still 6 or 7" off at combat ranges would make for some MAJOR adjustments. Seems like it needed one more go through the typewriter.
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If your milling job worked maybe you should set up shop and start fixing these for other owners in the same boat.
I just don't know why CA can't or won't deal with this issue.
If they ever get it right I would probably add a Professional to my list.
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I shot my "fixed" Professional today and, like everyone else's, it's still shooting low, but not as low as before. Now it's about 3 to 4 inches low with .32 S&W Long and a 95 grain bullet. I will give it the benefit of the doubt tho and load up some .32 H&R Mag with 85 and 100 grain Hornady XTP's before I call Charter and send it back again. It's possible that this gun shoots .32 S&W Long lower than it does H&R Mag.
I still like everything about this revolver that isn't related to the sights. If Charter could get the damn sights right, this would be an excellent choice for carrying.
I still like everything about this revolver that isn't related to the sights. If Charter could get the damn sights right, this would be an excellent choice for carrying.
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They're not, but generally because at close distances fixed sights, even if not perfect in POA/POI are still "good enough" for defense and usually not more than a couple inches off.
One issue in regards to the fiber optic sight vs a ramp is you can't file the fiber optic sight down to adjust the elevation like you can with a ramp sight. If Charter would replace the fiber optic sights with ramp sights, we all could have the ability to fix this ourselves.
Still, the root cause of the issue is the barrels are just to tall and don't meet up with the frame correctly. I see no reason why they haven't figured this out yet, but then again when I see about 100 rounds of perfectly good .22 ammo in the dud box at my range, I'm reminded that some people are born stupid.
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Got a .327 LCR coming to my local Rural King instead.
Was hopeful for this, but...
Really still hoping for a 3" LCRx from Ruger in .327, but it hasn't happened yet.
Was hopeful for this, but...
Really still hoping for a 3" LCRx from Ruger in .327, but it hasn't happened yet.
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Load some lite 32 H and R rounds for your LCR, they are a kick in the butt to shoot.
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I do appreciate the followup on your Charter Arms. Mine was still shooting very low too. Even more pleased that I milled the top of my barrel rib down. Hoping I'll get to shot it this coming weekend and I will let you know the results.
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Excuse my cultural ignorance, but I'm not sure if that's a good thing or a bad thing! Usually light recoil is a benefit, but I'm thinking that might not be what you are meaning?
Planning to start with some .32 ACP and going from there! I've already got ACP in stock, so I'll try that while waiting for other ammo. If it works, great! If not... well, let's hope it does! Does anyone do moon clips for this sort of thing yet? I would think that moon clipped .32 ACP for either the LCR or the Charter Professional would be cool, if not the ideal level of power for your revolver.
There's a .010 inch difference between the rim thickness of the ACP and the .32 S&W/H&R/Federal. I think moon clips generally start at .020 for .38/.357 and get thicker for .45 ACP. I don't know if anyone COULD do a disposable sort of moon clip for .32 ACP in these revolvers (this rambling brainstorming session is about unmodified cylinders, in case anyone was wondering). I just don't know enough about manufacturing this sort of thing.
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The issue with the ACP is the thinner rim like you stated. Most of the time they fire just fine but there is potential for light strikes or of more concern pierced primer. A moon clip like you suggest would in theory fix that but to my knowledge nobody makes anything like that, I'd certainly buy a handful if they ever were made. Maybe a case of beer to my buddy with the 3D printer is in order...
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If they don't make steel clips because they would be too thin, there isn't any way that a PLA or any other type of printed plastic is going to work. If they don't make clips for some other reason, then maybe; but I really doubt a printed clip would work (more than once, and it probably wouldn't hold together until you get it loaded).
Maybe a firing pin .010 longer? Headspace is going to be off, but with the pressure of .32 ACP being half of .327 Mag pressure.... is it going to be a problem? Would have to switch out firing pins for different ammo types, and it wouldn't fix the pierced primer issue, but I would think it would take care of the light strikes.
Or, let's look at this from the breechface side instead of the cylinder side... What about a .010 shim against the breechface?
I need to go shoot it before I "fix" it, this is ridiculous.
Maybe a firing pin .010 longer? Headspace is going to be off, but with the pressure of .32 ACP being half of .327 Mag pressure.... is it going to be a problem? Would have to switch out firing pins for different ammo types, and it wouldn't fix the pierced primer issue, but I would think it would take care of the light strikes.
Or, let's look at this from the breechface side instead of the cylinder side... What about a .010 shim against the breechface?
I need to go shoot it before I "fix" it, this is ridiculous.
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Breach face might work. I've fired ACP through my LCR and had no issues or really heard of anyone else having sever issues. I think one guy had a primer unseat and lock up the cylinder but that may have been a different round altogether.
ontarget
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If the repaired Professional revolvers shoot low at 5 yards has anyone tried 10 or 15 yards to see where the POI ends up?
Could it be that they are shooting low because the bullet is still rising at 5 yards in its trajectory toward zero? I have no idea what that distance may be. This is just a guess.
Has the factory ever spec'd what the sights are actually regulated for?
Could it be that they are shooting low because the bullet is still rising at 5 yards in its trajectory toward zero? I have no idea what that distance may be. This is just a guess.
Has the factory ever spec'd what the sights are actually regulated for?
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Well, the bullet starts out, what, 1/2 inch lower than the sights? We'll go with a nominal 1/2 inch. And if point of impact (POI) ever ends up more than 1/2 inch lower than point of aim (POA) then these lines (really rays, not lines, but I digress) are diverging, not converging. From what folks are saying, and that excellent group that SteadyD posted for us I would have to say that these revolvers indeed have front sights that are too tall. They shoot good enough groups for anyone to be happy, and these groups seem to consistently be low.
Unfortunately, while it would be convenient for the sights just to be regulated at a different range than tested, it would seem that this is not the case. The bullet is going down, instead of up. If the bullet was going where it would be normally be expected to go, POI would intersect POA in two places, and POI would not be further from POA than at the muzzle, until it got out PAST the first time POA and POI intersected.
Unfortunately, while it would be convenient for the sights just to be regulated at a different range than tested, it would seem that this is not the case. The bullet is going down, instead of up. If the bullet was going where it would be normally be expected to go, POI would intersect POA in two places, and POI would not be further from POA than at the muzzle, until it got out PAST the first time POA and POI intersected.
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A longer firing pin would make the primer puncturing situation worse and shortening in would mean it might not hit it enough. The issue is there's too much space between the case head and the recoil shield and it allows the case to move back onto/into the firing pin.
Thus, a shim would work and the only area you would need to shim is that which is around the firing pin. What you could do is drill/tap a very small hole and put some sort of rubber plug with a rounded tip so that the case could "ride" over it during cylinder rotation. Even better would be if the plug was spring loaded, think those brass pins that retain the pins that connect the lower and upper of an AR.
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You are correct. I knew that but the picture in my minds eye was seeing a 45-70 shooting at a 1000 yard target which would in fact make POI higher at shorter to mid range not lower.
Hey cut a guy a break. Lol.
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