Do you have any objective basis for your reasoning?
Future .32 Snub Revolvers
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Zendude
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I believe many new shooters who are looking for a snub revolver would prefer the 32 mag to the 38 special if they had an opportunity to shoot both. I have found it to be true for those who have shot both my Charter 32 mag Undercoverette and my Charter 38 Undercover. Both are 16 oz. snubs.
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Hey, you're the one that started talking about 40 yard shots with a snubby.
If by “objective basis” you mean actual experience, no. I have everything I need to reload the 32 H&R: brass, bullets, powder, primers, and of course, dies, with one exception: a 32 H&R pistol. I have a million “NOTIFY ME WHEN AVAILABLE” out for Ruger LCRs and Ruger Blackhawks but … nothing.
I don't know whey anyone would "mind", but that doesn't provide any reason to think that the business case would close.
ThomasT
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I certainly did. You got that part right. What you got wrong was thinking I or anyone said anything about using a snub 38 as a "deer slayer" or "going into battle" with a snub 38.
And by the way in one article written by gun writer Terry Murbach he did state he had a friend who killed a deer with a 3" barreled 38 using wadcutter ammo. If the range is close that ammo or any other SD ammo would be just a deadly on deer as it is on people. I have had several deer not more than 6 feet away from me. Everyone of them could have been killed with a 38 snub.
It is important to not confuse the objective of hunting game, which is to effect a clean kill, with that of self defense against people, which is to effect an immediate stop before he attacker can injure the defender.
Witr appropriate ammunition, the .38 Special is considered adequate, from the standpoint of terminal ballistics, for SD. How it performs on medium size game is a different subject.
One data point dies not a pattern make. I have known people who have killed elk with a .22LR and deer with a .22 Hornet, but I would not recommend either practice.
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Just thought I would share... LCRs are starting to come back in stock. Ruger LCRx 327 Federal Magnum Double-Action Revolver | Sportsman's Outdoor Superstore (sportsmansoutdoorsuperstore.com)
ThomasT
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I also want an immediate stop to game so I don't have to chase it all over the place. But thanks for explaining that to me. I just didn't know.
Sure.
Consider, though, that an attacker coming at you may well be covering 180 inches per second, and you do not want him getting to you with his blade.
There is immediate, and there is immediate, and they may be different.
And the consequences of the approximation differ in terms of severity.
Should your .38 snub not drop a deer in its tracks, that's one thing.
I have a .32 S&W Long revolver in the drawer of my desk. Back before Warner v Tennessee ended the era of the Fleeing Felon Rule at Common Law, an officer used it to shoot a fleeing felon--six good hits, and the man still ran more than a hundred feet.
The officer traded the gun.
The .32 S&W Long is a mighty fine cartridge, but I would not choose one for SD. The .38 Special is a different story.
ThomasT
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If you have hunted as much as I have I have seen deer run over a hundred yards with the hearts and lungs blown to shreds by rounds like the .270 and 30-06. In the end all it proves is that living things can be hard to kill. There are no magic bullets and there are no death rays.
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The objective is to end the threat. Death is just a happy side effect.
That's not something that one ever wants to be quoted as having said.
ThomasT
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That might be your objective but I know for sure dead people don't come back to sue you. Besides as you said earlier in post # 37, this is off topic. We are supposed to be talking about the future of 32 caliber revolvers.
Their survivors sure do.
ThomasT
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Some people just aren't worth your time.
1. NAA had a prototype 32 HR revolver, it was ugly and they decided not to proceed. You can google for it and it was discussed on the NAA forums.
2. Cabelas near me as had a LCR in 327 for several months. $609.
3. I have a 432 and a 632. Great J frames. The 432 is easy to carry. The 632 with full power 327 is a loud, firebreather. It scares people. Told that story before when I switched to 327s in a match, the SO thought it blew up.
2. Cabelas near me as had a LCR in 327 for several months. $609.
3. I have a 432 and a 632. Great J frames. The 432 is easy to carry. The 632 with full power 327 is a loud, firebreather. It scares people. Told that story before when I switched to 327s in a match, the SO thought it blew up.
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Our society is too concerned with political correctness.
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You say you wouldn't mind, not that you would buy it. This kind of ambivalence is why we're not going to see a company pay to invest in the machines, tooling, and time to produce top break revolvers. Consider that of all the companies that went from not making revolvers to making them only Colt has bothered to do it and largely because they felt there was a market for their revolvers with updated designs meant to lower the prices and do away with the hand fitting. I mean, if you can sell revolvers that cost $1500 and you have years of data and people saying they want X, then it makes sense to make X when you can make a profit off it.
That said, I do think there is enough of a niche interest in a modern top break revolver because I'm sure there could be race gun versions made that make competitive shooters shave seconds off their reloads. I'm sure there are people who would just like to have fun owning a top break revolver that's not based on a budget design (H&R and Iver Johnson) or is over 100 years old (S&W) or is a repro of the Schofield and costs over $900 (Uberti).
What role the top break has for defense over a solid frame IDK. If reloading a revolver in a defensive use is quite rare then the perceived advantage of a top break is lost. That said if a modern top break can hold up fine to thousands and thousands of low pressure calibers like .32 Mag, .38 Special, .44 Special, .45 Colt then I don't see a reason not to buy one if it were available and the cost similar to a swing out solid frame.
A solid frame revolver built specifically around a .32 is more likely to happen than centerfire top breaks to make a comeback, but it's still so unlikely that unless there's a major paradigm shift where many start buying up .32 revolvers and the industry takes notice it will never happen.
They could however do it for .22's and basically make a much improved version of the Rossi Princess.
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Is the reason for the failure to stop the suspect because the gun wasn't a .38?
No one will ever know.
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Never interrupt a biased narrative with a logical question.
If .32 revolvers make anything like a comeback I suspect it will be for the simple reasons of an aging population looking for alternatives with lower recoil, and improvements in materials engineering which allow for stronger designs in traditional, more familiar formats.
We Boomers are getting old and arthritis plus a micronine is painful.
That has absolutely nothing to do with "political correctness".
The issue is that, depending upon the circumstances of what may well have been a lawful use of deadly force in which some of the evidence is ambiguous, the fact of such a statement could go a long way toward establishing mens rea, and destroying a legal defense of self defense.
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