Future .32 Snub Revolvers

[hannstv]

I am a firm fan of a revolver as an EDC for most citizens. There H&R mag load is really in a good .380 power level. If you are comfortable with that then the .32 might be your answer. I have carried a Glock G42 occasionally but feel more comfortable with a .38. I will admit I shoot the G42 faster and more accurately than I do a .38 snubby, when the distance exceeds 10 yds.

 

[Mr. Mosin]

That has absolutely nothing to do with "political correctness".

The issue is that, depending upon the circumstances of what may well have been a lawful use of deadly force in which some of the evidence is ambiguous, the fact of such a statement could go a long way toward establishing mens rea, and destroying a legal defense of self defense.

Like I said... political correctness.

 

[Kleanbore]

Like I said... political correctness.

Not at all.

Remember, only the shooter and his dog will have reason to regard the shooter as "the good guy".

Everyone else will be trying to decide what happened, based on piecemeal evidence.

Was the use of deadly force necessary to defend agaainst death or serious harm?

Who initiated the confrontation?

What would a reasonable person in similar circumstances have done, knowing what the shooter knew at the time?

Did the shooter use any more force than had been necessary?

If the shooter were known to have expressed the opinion that death would be a desirable result, that would likely impinge unfavorably on those questions.

Think before posting. It's permanent.

 

[Mr. Mosin]

I am a firm fan of a revolver as an EDC for most citizens. There H&R mag load is really in a good .380 power level. If you are comfortable with that then the .32 might be your answer. I have carried a Glock G42 occasionally but feel more comfortable with a .38. I will admit I shoot the G42 faster and more accurately than I do a .38 snubby, when the distance exceeds 10 yds.

I agree. Nothing better than a Centennial Smith J frame for Average Joe.

 

[Mr. Mosin]

Not at all.

Remember, only the shooter and his dog will have reason to regard the shooter as "the good guy".

Everyone else will be trying to decide what happened, based on piecemeal evidence.

Was the use of deadly force necessary to defend agaainst death or serious harm?

Who initiated the confrontation?

What would a reasonable person in similar circumstances have done, knowing what the shooter knew at the time?

Did the shooter use any more force than had been necessary?

If the shooter were known to have expressed the opinion that death would be a desirable result, that would likely impinge unfavorably on those questions.

Think before posting. It's permanent.

Death is only desirable regarding rapists, pedophiles, and murderers.

 

[GeoDudeFlorida]

I keep seeing new lightweight revolver models introduced by S&W, in .22LR & .22 Mag. But .32 H&R has better performance & reduced recoil over .38. If women shooters are a new market for concealed carry, I think .32 in a snub is a great match.

I think age, arthritis, and frailty will play a larger role in sales than gender, especially in any decision to release what the OP refers to - a light, recoil-controlled, snub .32mag/.327Fed. But, that's just my opinion. The empirical evidence is, only "city-slickers" interested in SD/P-EDC, C/F-LEO's, gun-rag sideshow sensationalists interested in "clicks" (no offense to Lucky Gunner), and gun store/club range instructors seeking bigger profits and higher sales figures will drive the market (like cattle) and they're all in the megamag-micronine-platixfantatstix club, almost without exception.

Snub nose revolvers are very handy for A LOT MORE than shooting people but, sadly, that's the only aspect of gun ownership under discussion these days. Trying to talk about vermin and varmint control, the facts of country living (we shoot WAY more cans than people or animals ), the challenges of rural farming... well, that just isn't gonna cut it - not here or anywhere. Not enough of a market and them folks don't act out of fear.

 

[Kleanbore]

The empirical evidence is, only "city-slickers" interested in SD/P-EDC, C/F-LEO's, gun-rag sideshow sensationalists interested in "clicks" (no offense to Lucky Gunner), and gun store/club range instructors seeking bigger profits and higher sales figures will drive the market....

I have seen no such evidence, but I tend to agree that most of the people buying concealable handguns today do so for self defense, and that the majority live in rather densely populated areas.

They very rarely shoot at anyone, and I would not characterize defensive carry as acting "out of fear".

 

[Kleanbore]

Nothing better than a Centennial Smith J frame for Average Joe

Have you noticed that most of the people who say that are not experienced wit the use of the gun in realistic training drills?

The J-Frame is difficult to shoot. A number of men whom I know chose them, but when their spouses chose to try different guns first, they tended to choose semi-autos.

 

[GeoDudeFlorida]

Have you noticed that most of the people who say that are not experienced wit the use of the gun in realistic training drills?

The J-Frame is difficult to shoot. A number of men whom I know chose them, but when their spouses chose to try different guns first, they tended to choose semi-autos.

There is a self-loading forum where that opinion can be debated.

 

[Kleanbore]

This is WAY off topic and belongs on a thread about the law and defensive shooting, not a revolver thread about .32 snubbies.

Ideeally, yes, but the suject was raised here. We cannot responsibly refuse to help our members avoid the risk of long imprisonment because the letter went into the wrong file drawer.

 

[Kleanbore]

There is a self-loading forum where that opinion can be debated.

Why would we discuss the J-Frame in the self-loading forum?

 

[GeoDudeFlorida]

I am a firm fan of a revolver as an EDC for most citizens. There H&R mag load is really in a good .380 power level. If you are comfortable with that then the .32 might be your answer. I have carried a Glock G42 occasionally but feel more comfortable with a .38. I will admit I shoot the G42 faster and more accurately than I do a .38 snubby, when the distance exceeds 10 yds.

Nice thing about a 2" revolver is it fits in a modern truck's glove box and you don't have to check the chamber or rack the slide.

 

[Mr. Mosin]

Have you noticed that most of the people who say that are not experienced wit the use of the gun in realistic training drills?

The J-Frame is difficult to shoot. A number of men whom I know chose them, but when their spouses chose to try different guns first, they tended to choose semi-autos.

“Difficult to shoot” is irrelevant at “bad breath distance, where most civilian encounters occur.

 

[Kleanbore]

“Difficult to shoot” is irrelevant at “bad breath distance, where most civilian encounters occur

No, it is not! I strongly suggest that you avail yourself of some good defensive shooting training--the kind that focuses on shooting at those distances.

I cannot use a 642 effectively in those drills, and a number of our other members have said the same thing.

 

[Mr. Mosin]

No, it is not! I strongly suggest that you avail yourself of some good defensive shooting training--the kind that focuses on shooting at those distances.

I cannot use a 642 effectively in those drills, and a number of our other members have said the same thing.

Good for you. I can.

 

[Kleanbore]

Good for you. I can.

So, you can put five shots in a target the size of a small pie plate at twelve feet in a second and a half with a J frame? That's truly amazing.

I can match the precision, but not the speed.

 

[Mr. Mosin]

So, you can put five shots in a target the size of a small pie plate at twelve feet in a second and a half with a J frame? That's truly amazing.

I can match the precision, but not the speed.

Oh no. Man sized target (torso) at seven yds. You and others tend to forget... these aren’t competition target guns

 

[Kleanbore]

On snub .32 revolvers....

When the .327 Magnum was introduced in J Frame revolvers, I was extremely interested. I was sill in the mindset that KE numbers meant a lot, and the sixth shot interested me.

One of our late members had little interest in it, and that;ss an understatement. He said it was a .32-20 in new clothing. He spoke of the terrible muzzle blast.

Our member GEM has one. He says it's okay with the .32 H&R, but that when he fired a .327 in it everyone thought the gun had blown up.

We can buy six shot .38s today. I have a K6a. A little heavy, but shootable.

I am singularly unimpressed with the .32 Long. I have never tried a .32 H&R. I prefer greater capacity.

 

[Kleanbore]

Oh no. Man sized target (torso) at seven yds. You and others tend to forget... these aren’t competition target guns

That does not represent realistic defensive shooting.

RE: 7 yards--for some reason that was a traditional distance for police training, years ago. Then Dennis Tueller started with drawing time and running speed and derived a distance of 7 yards. That's for starting the draw. The attacker will be much closer before the first shot is fired.

And the defender will have very little time to stop him.

 

[GeoDudeFlorida]

On snub .32 revolvers....

When the .327 Magnum was introduced in J Frame revolvers, I was extremely interested. I was sill in the mindset that KE numbers meant a lot, and the sixth shot interested me.

One of our late members had little interest in it, and that;ss an understatement. He said it was a .32-20 in new clothing. He spoke of the terrible muzzle blast.

Our member GEM has one. He says it's okay with the .32 H&R, but that when he fired a .327 in it everyone thought the gun had blown up.

We can buy six shot .38s today. I have a K6a. A little heavy, but shootable.

I am singularly unimpressed with the .32 Long. I have never tried a .32 H&R. I prefer greater capacity.

There's lots of reasons for owning a gun besides shooting people. There's lots of reasons for owning pistols than concealed carry. A nice short barreled .32 Colts Pocket Positive, Detective Special, Police Postiive, K-Frame, J-Frame or I-Frame, Taurus 731, H&R 732 ... and many other pocket snubs made over a long number of years, fill those other roles very nicely - including letting older people with arthritis and weak wrists keep armadillos out of their roses - and rabbits out of vegetable gardens and in pots of broth where they belong. If you disagree, that's fine. But it begs the question: Why argue so vehemently against the topic instead of ignoring it? Or simply putting up a single post of, "Not good for concealed carry so not my bag," and being done with it?

 

[GeoDudeFlorida]

I am singularly unimpressed with the .32 Long.

You're not a rabbit.
Want to know what I'm singularly unimpressed with?

 

[Kleanbore]

There's lots of reasons for owning a gun besides shooting people. There's lots of reasons for owning pistols than concealed carry.

Yes indeed.

However, most of the posts here have been about SD.

For a belt revolver on a tractor, a 3" .32 revolver would be great.

Your ideas on Colt .32's ring true with me.

 

[ThomasT]

Snub nose revolvers are very handy for A LOT MORE than shooting people but, sadly, that's the only aspect of gun ownership under discussion these days.

I have said the same thing several times on this forum. It seems no one remembers that guns can also be owned for pleasure shooting or the challenge of small game hunting. I have only managed to kill a few game with a handgun. But the sport is there in spades. But every thread seems to turn in to "whats the best gun to stop(kill) another person with"? Any anti gunner reading this thread would think we are all blood thirsty maniacs.

I have several 32 revolvers and like another poster stated I wish S&W would make one of the alloy framed 32 mags with a 3-4" barrel and adjustable sights. What a nice plinker/trailgun that would be. It would ride lightly on your belt or disappear in a backpack. I wouldn't even mind if it was just in 32 Long.

 

[GeoDudeFlorida]

Yes indeed.

However, most of the posts here have been about SD.

For a belt revolver on a tractor, a 3" .32 revolver would be great.

Your ideas on Colt .32's ring true with me.

The great grandmother of one of my neighbors - now long passed, Bless her - carried a .32S&W her husband gave her during "The War" with her everywhere. No one asked about concealed carry permits; it was THAT generation enjoying the freedoms they fought for. Welcome to the Deep South.

I can't think how many rabbits that little gun put in a pot or how many nasty armadillos it kept out of her prize-winning roses. I know it taught several generations of fine men and women how to shoot.

Snubbies have a place. Even in .32.

 

[GeoDudeFlorida]

But every thread seems to turn in to "whats the best gun to stop(kill) another person with"? Any anti gunner reading this thread would think we are all blood thirsty maniacs.

I know. It's really sad. We can't just discuss any gun that's NOT a megamagplatstixfantastix-UltraCarry!™ (Mk.2) without being attacked and insulted. What a shame. I wish more people could have growed up where the concrete don't cover every inch of the earth.