357 Magnum loading for Cowboy Action Shooting - component availability issues

[JimGnitecki]

My best buddy suggested today that I check any local shops again, because even though they are very short of powder and most other loading components as well right now, they tend to not advertise components in short supply because (a) they don't need to advertise right now; customers will come to them looking, (b) they don't want to bother with shipping because shipping powder is a pain for both seller and buyer, and (c) when they have just a few of anything left, they want to satisfy their local repeat customers rather than someone on line.

That was great advice.

One of the local shops which sells firearms and fishing gear has been slowly transitioning more and more into the fishing gear because of the firearm supply line issues and the unhelpful attitude of our Federal government. They have very little these days for me to actually buy. And being a small retailer, he wasn't getting the best volume wholesale prices on things like powder, so his prices weren't always good.

So when I called today, his initial readtion was not great. As I went through my list of contender powders, he said "none", but when we reached Titegroup on my list, he paused and said he thought he might have some of that left somewhere. Sure enough, a couple of minutes later he said he had found he had 5 lb of it. I suspect his price would have seemed high for it to many buyers back a year or two, but that price is actually as good or better than the online high volume places in Canada are offering NOW (for the few powders they actually have in stock), when you add on the shipping and hazardous material fees!

I bought only 3 lb because that's enough to load at LEAST 5000 cartridges.

While there picking it up, I casually asked about the Hornady Frontier 158g swaged bullet pn 10408, of which I have already ordered 900 online. Turns out that he had ONE box of 300 left, which he was happy to sell to me because it had sat there over a year for sure he said.

So here's a photo of what I walked out with today:



So, now I am set up with primers, cases, bullets, and powder to load at least 1200 rounds . If the bullets work as well as I hope, I'll go back to the other supplier and buy more of them, as that supplier does have more. (I was willing to risk the cost of 1200 bullets, but not 5000, if tthey don't for any reason work out for me.)

On the Accurate No.5 possibility, I ran into that issue that my buddy told me about again, but this time the outcome was bad. One Canadian supplier lists the powder online, allows you to select it into your cart, and then go to checkout. But once you are at checkout, the total price calculation displays a message saying "No shipping cost exists for this item". My buddy tells me this means that the seller is not interested in shipping to non-local buyers (for the reasons stated above) and has it on their website only to enable reserving it for in-person pickup.

At a different well-known reseller website, I ran into exactly the same issue for Unique powder.

I guess I have angels watching over me to have actually been able to assemble everything I need with at least one powder.

Jim G

 

[GeoDudeFlorida]

My best buddy suggested today that I check any local shops again, because even though they are very short of powder and most other loading components as well right now, they tend to not advertise components in short supply because (a) they don't need to advertise right now; customers will come to them looking, (b) they don't want to bother with shipping because shipping powder is a pain for both seller and buyer, and (c) when they have just a few of anything left, they want to satisfy their local repeat customers rather than someone on line.

That was great advice.

One of the local shops which sells firearms and fishing gear has been slowly transitioning more and more into the fishing gear because of the firearm supply line issues and the unhelpful attitude of our Federal government. They have very little these days for me to actually buy. And being a small retailer, he wasn't getting the best volume wholesale prices on things like powder, so his prices weren't always good.

So when I called today, his initial readtion was not great. As I went through my list of contender powders, he said "none", but when we reached Titegroup on my list, he paused and said he thought he might have some of that left somewhere. Sure enough, a couple of minutes later he said he had found he had 5 lb of it. I suspect his price would have seemed high for it to many buyers back a year or two, but that price is actually as good or better than the online high volume places in Canada are offering NOW (for the few powders they actually have in stock), when you add on the shipping and hazardous material fees!

I bought only 3 lb because that's enough to load at LEAST 5000 cartridges.

While there picking it up, I casually asked about the Hornady Frontier 158g swaged bullet pn 10408, of which I have already ordered 900 online. Turns out that he had ONE box of 300 left, which he was happy to sell to me because it had sat there over a year for sure he said.

So here's a photo of what I walked out with today:

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So, now I am set up with primers, cases, bullets, and powder to load at least 1200 rounds . If the bullets work as well as I hope, I'll go back to the other supplier and buy more of them, as that supplier does have more. (I was willing to risk the cost of 1200 bullets, but not 5000, if tthey don't for any reason work out for me.)

On the Accurate No.5 possibility, I ran into that issue that my buddy told me about again, but this time the outcome was bad. One Canadian supplier lists the powder online, allows you to select it into your cart, and then go to checkout. But once you are at checkout, the total price calculation displays a message saying "No shipping cost exists for this item". My buddy tells me this means that the seller is not interested in shipping to non-local buyers (for the reasons stated above) and has it on their website only to enable reserving it for in-person pickup.

At a different well-known reseller website, I ran into exactly the same issue for Unique powder.

I guess I have angels watching over me to have actually been able to assemble everything I need with at least one powder.

Jim G

Way to go! You’re on your way.

 

[dcarr]

I don’t use anything with a reservoir so I have to ask: do AA#2 and AA#5 also do this? I’m asking for a friend.

I use both these powders but I don't leave any powders overnight outside the original jugs anymore

 

[JimGnitecki]

I use both these powders but I don't leave any powders overnight outside the original jugs anymore

I just recalled: My OTHER Dillon press has an aftermarket GLASS powder reservoir that I bought when I was having static electricity problems a couple of years ago when loading 9mm in the winter. That might be a decent solution for anyone else who does not want to have to fill and then empty his or her powder reservoir each reloading session.\

I personally like to run only a partially filled reservoir for theoretical safety reasons: less powder in the reservoir means less fuel for a fire should something happen.

I cannot remember where I bought that glass reservoir though.

Jim G

 

[JimGnitecki]

On the SASS forum board, I saw the followng comment on Titegroup:

"
at mid-range loads or above, it's louder than almost all other powders and leaves cases and guns very hot (it contains more nitroglycerin than any other "double-base" powder I am aware of - even more than Bullseye, TG is at about 30% NG content)
"
However, the poster DID say that he considers it one of the best all around powders for CAS, apparently despite that.

Jim G

 

[AJC1]

Hodgdon doesn't specify for each powder, they have nitro content listed as '0-42% by weight'... and I'll bet that 42% is TiteGroup.

Could be lil gun...

 

[EricBu]

On the SASS forum board, I saw the followng comment on Titegroup:

"
at mid-range loads or above, it's louder than almost all other powders and leaves cases and guns very hot (it contains more nitroglycerin than any other "double-base" powder I am aware of - even more than Bullseye, TG is at about 30% NG content)
"
However, the poster DID say that he considers it one of the best all around powders for CAS, apparently despite that.

Jim G

Yep, especially for the guys that do a lot of different calibers. It works great for cowboy loads in 44 SPL/44 Mag, 45 Colt, 38, 357, even the wildbunch class get's a piece of it with 45 ACP. I myself use it in every single pistol caliber I have for at least one load I think.

 

[AJC1]

I know many people use powder measures on progressive presses and they hate to empty them. I dispense powder empty my unit and put it away immediately.... it's rather humid here most of the year to leave out.

 

[JimGnitecki]

I know many people use powder measures on progressive presses and they hate to empty them. I dispense powder empty my unit and put it away immediately.... it's rather humid here most of the year to leave out.

I have the opposite situation. We are very dry around here. We get only 15 inches of rain in an average year. of which 11 inches come as rain, and the other 4 comes as 44 inches of snow in the winter! Those are the official numbers apparently. Hence the static electricity.

Jim G

 

[EricBu]

I'm with @AJC1, I empty my hoppers after every session. I don't think it hurts anything, I just choose to pack it all up. It's also a good time for PM.

 

[P Flados]

That list @P Flados
The only thing would be to see what a .38 special list looks like!

Note the pressure margins are not nearly as big in 38 SP so more care in workups is recommended. Here is the 800 fps / 6" barrel table. Note also that Quickload barrel length is breech to muzzle and does not include any allowance for cylinder gap (I typically use 50 fps).

Cartridge          : .38 Special (SAAMI)                       
Bullet             : .358, 158, LEE 358-158-RF                       
Cartridge O.A.L. L6: 1.420 inch = 36.07 mm                       
Barrel Length      : 6.0 inch = 152.4 mm                         
                  
Powder type          Filling/Loading Ratio  Charge    Charge   Vel. Prop.Burnt P max  P muzz  B_Time                       
                                      %     Grains    Gramm   fps     %       psi     psi    ms                       
---------------------------------  -----------------------------------------------------------------                       
Hodgdon Clays                       45.8      2.9     0.19     800   100.0    16491    1756   0.873  !DANGEROUS LOAD-DO NOT USE!                       
Alliant RED DOT                     45.4      3.0     0.20     800   100.0    12794    2020   0.970                       
Accurate Nitro 100                  42.7      3.0     0.19     800   100.0    12199    2101   0.970                                             
Vihtavuori N310                     38.1      3.0     0.19     800   100.0    14872    1827   0.918  ! Near Maximum !                                         
Accurate Solo 1000                  43.4      3.2     0.21     800   100.0    12671    2025   0.957                                           
Alliant GREEN DOT                   43.8      3.3     0.21     800   100.0    11946    2142   0.996                                          
Hodgdon TiteGroup                   30.6      3.3     0.22     800   100.0    12750    2008   0.959                       
Norma R1                            48.4      3.3     0.21     800   100.0    13938    1925   0.950                       
Vihtavuori N320                     42.3      3.3     0.22     800   100.0    11608    2125   0.998                            
Alliant BULLSEYE                    37.9      3.4     0.22     800    96.1    10460    2557   1.021                                         
Hodgdon HP38                        32.0      3.6     0.23     800   100.0    11462    2235   0.995                       
Ramshot Zip                         32.3      3.7     0.24     800   100.0    11302    2280   1.001                       
Winchester 231                      35.9      3.7     0.24     800   100.0    11302    2280   1.001                       
Accurate Solo 1250                  45.5      3.7     0.24     800    99.7    11006    2339   1.007                       
Vihtavuori N330                     42.3      3.7     0.24     800    99.9    10218    2439   1.042                                             
Accurate No.2                       43.4      3.9     0.25     800    93.7    10795    2525   1.009                       
Lovex S030                          41.2      3.9     0.25     800    96.7    10901    2459   1.008                       
Vihtavuori N340                     44.9      4.0     0.26     800    95.9    10402    2562   1.034                       
Vihtavuori N32C Tin Star            62.7      4.2     0.27     800   100.0    13433    1922   0.962                       
IMR TrailBoss                       94.3      4.3     0.28     800   100.0    12800    1986   0.972                       
Winchester WAP                      37.2      4.3     0.28     800    92.5    10220    2644   1.035                       
Ramshot Silhouette                  37.0      4.3     0.28     800    92.8    10214    2642   1.036

 

[P Flados]

And since the OP found Titegroup

Cartridge          : .357 Magnum (SAAMI)
Bullet             : .358, 158, LEE 358-158-RF
Cartridge O.A.L. L6: 1.590 inch = 40.39 mm
Barrel Length      : 6.0 inch = 152.4 mm
Powder             : Hodgdon TiteGroup

Step    Fill. Charge   Vel.  Energy   Pmax   Pmuz  Prop.Burnt B_Time
 %       %    Grains   fps   ft.lbs    psi    psi      %        ms

-40.0   23     3.00    709     176    8567   1935    100.0    1.145
-36.0   24     3.20    739     192    9559   2045    100.0    1.083
-32.0   26     3.40    769     207   10601   2155    100.0    1.028
-28.0   27     3.60    797     223   11692   2264    100.0    0.979
-24.0   29     3.80    824     238   12831   2373    100.0    0.936
-20.0   30     4.00    851     254   14018   2483    100.0    0.896
-16.0   32     4.20    876     269   15252   2591    100.0    0.861
-12.0   33     4.40    901     285   16533   2700    100.0    0.828
-08.0   35     4.60    926     301   17862   2808    100.0    0.799
-04.0   36     4.80    950     316   19236   2915    100.0    0.771
+00.0   38     5.00    973     332   20658   3023    100.0    0.746
+04.0   39     5.20    996     348   22126   3130    100.0    0.723
+08.0   41     5.40   1018     364   23642   3236    100.0    0.701
+12.0   42     5.60   1041     380   25205   3342    100.0    0.681
+16.0   44     5.80   1062     396   26815   3448    100.0    0.662
+20.0   45     6.00   1084     412   28474   3553    100.0    0.645

 

[AJC1]

And since the OP found Titegroup

Cartridge          : .357 Magnum (SAAMI)
Bullet             : .358, 158, LEE 358-158-RF
Cartridge O.A.L. L6: 1.590 inch = 40.39 mm
Barrel Length      : 6.0 inch = 152.4 mm
Powder             : Hodgdon TiteGroup

Step    Fill. Charge   Vel.  Energy   Pmax   Pmuz  Prop.Burnt B_Time
 %       %    Grains   fps   ft.lbs    psi    psi      %        ms

-40.0   23     3.00    709     176    8567   1935    100.0    1.145
-36.0   24     3.20    739     192    9559   2045    100.0    1.083
-32.0   26     3.40    769     207   10601   2155    100.0    1.028
-28.0   27     3.60    797     223   11692   2264    100.0    0.979
-24.0   29     3.80    824     238   12831   2373    100.0    0.936
-20.0   30     4.00    851     254   14018   2483    100.0    0.896
-16.0   32     4.20    876     269   15252   2591    100.0    0.861
-12.0   33     4.40    901     285   16533   2700    100.0    0.828
-08.0   35     4.60    926     301   17862   2808    100.0    0.799
-04.0   36     4.80    950     316   19236   2915    100.0    0.771
+00.0   38     5.00    973     332   20658   3023    100.0    0.746
+04.0   39     5.20    996     348   22126   3130    100.0    0.723
+08.0   41     5.40   1018     364   23642   3236    100.0    0.701
+12.0   42     5.60   1041     380   25205   3342    100.0    0.681
+16.0   44     5.80   1062     396   26815   3448    100.0    0.662
+20.0   45     6.00   1084     412   28474   3553    100.0    0.645

4.0 was my 9mm 115 match winner load. Looks like 4.0 strikes again. 3.8 in 38 is a max load in a 38 case so 4.0 in 357 will likely be just as mild. I have found TG to be accurate across a wide range of loads in my colt and worked equally well in my neighbors 686 2" snub.

 

[JimGnitecki]

Note the pressure margins are not nearly as big in 38 SP so more care in workups is recommended. Here is the 800 fps / 6" barrel table. Note also that Quickload barrel length is breech to muzzle and does not include any allowance for cylinder gap (I typically use 50 fps).

Cartridge          : .38 Special (SAAMI)                     
Bullet             : .358, 158, LEE 358-158-RF                     
Cartridge O.A.L. L6: 1.420 inch = 36.07 mm                     
Barrel Length      : 6.0 inch = 152.4 mm                       
                
Powder type          Filling/Loading Ratio  Charge    Charge   Vel. Prop.Burnt P max  P muzz  B_Time                     
                                      %     Grains    Gramm   fps     %       psi     psi    ms                     
---------------------------------  -----------------------------------------------------------------                     
Hodgdon Clays                       45.8      2.9     0.19     800   100.0    16491    1756   0.873  !DANGEROUS LOAD-DO NOT USE!                     
Alliant RED DOT                     45.4      3.0     0.20     800   100.0    12794    2020   0.970                     
Accurate Nitro 100                  42.7      3.0     0.19     800   100.0    12199    2101   0.970                                           
Vihtavuori N310                     38.1      3.0     0.19     800   100.0    14872    1827   0.918  ! Near Maximum !                                       
Accurate Solo 1000                  43.4      3.2     0.21     800   100.0    12671    2025   0.957                                         
Alliant GREEN DOT                   43.8      3.3     0.21     800   100.0    11946    2142   0.996                                        
Hodgdon TiteGroup                   30.6      3.3     0.22     800   100.0    12750    2008   0.959                     
Norma R1                            48.4      3.3     0.21     800   100.0    13938    1925   0.950                     
Vihtavuori N320                     42.3      3.3     0.22     800   100.0    11608    2125   0.998                          
Alliant BULLSEYE                    37.9      3.4     0.22     800    96.1    10460    2557   1.021                                       
Hodgdon HP38                        32.0      3.6     0.23     800   100.0    11462    2235   0.995                     
Ramshot Zip                         32.3      3.7     0.24     800   100.0    11302    2280   1.001                     
Winchester 231                      35.9      3.7     0.24     800   100.0    11302    2280   1.001                     
Accurate Solo 1250                  45.5      3.7     0.24     800    99.7    11006    2339   1.007                     
Vihtavuori N330                     42.3      3.7     0.24     800    99.9    10218    2439   1.042                                           
Accurate No.2                       43.4      3.9     0.25     800    93.7    10795    2525   1.009                     
Lovex S030                          41.2      3.9     0.25     800    96.7    10901    2459   1.008                     
Vihtavuori N340                     44.9      4.0     0.26     800    95.9    10402    2562   1.034                     
Vihtavuori N32C Tin Star            62.7      4.2     0.27     800   100.0    13433    1922   0.962                     
IMR TrailBoss                       94.3      4.3     0.28     800   100.0    12800    1986   0.972                     
Winchester WAP                      37.2      4.3     0.28     800    92.5    10220    2644   1.035                     
Ramshot Silhouette                  37.0      4.3     0.28     800    92.8    10214    2642   1.036

VERY interesting. "Breech to muzzle" of 6" then translates to pretty much the actual 4.75" barrel length on my 2 revolvers. So, Titegroup is pretty "efficient" with 3.3 grains producing 800 fps in a 4.75" barrel before the cylinder to barrel gap loss.

Note also how well the Trail Boss and VV Tin Star filled the case in comparison though.

Note also the high pressures on the Clays and the VV N310 at the 800 fps loading.

But remember also these observations are all based on using a ,38 Special case.

Jim G

 

[JimGnitecki]

And since the OP found Titegroup

Cartridge          : .357 Magnum (SAAMI)
Bullet             : .358, 158, LEE 358-158-RF
Cartridge O.A.L. L6: 1.590 inch = 40.39 mm
Barrel Length      : 6.0 inch = 152.4 mm
Powder             : Hodgdon TiteGroup

Step    Fill. Charge   Vel.  Energy   Pmax   Pmuz  Prop.Burnt B_Time
 %       %    Grains   fps   ft.lbs    psi    psi      %        ms

-40.0   23     3.00    709     176    8567   1935    100.0    1.145
-36.0   24     3.20    739     192    9559   2045    100.0    1.083
-32.0   26     3.40    769     207   10601   2155    100.0    1.028
-28.0   27     3.60    797     223   11692   2264    100.0    0.979
-24.0   29     3.80    824     238   12831   2373    100.0    0.936
-20.0   30     4.00    851     254   14018   2483    100.0    0.896
-16.0   32     4.20    876     269   15252   2591    100.0    0.861
-12.0   33     4.40    901     285   16533   2700    100.0    0.828
-08.0   35     4.60    926     301   17862   2808    100.0    0.799
-04.0   36     4.80    950     316   19236   2915    100.0    0.771
+00.0   38     5.00    973     332   20658   3023    100.0    0.746
+04.0   39     5.20    996     348   22126   3130    100.0    0.723
+08.0   41     5.40   1018     364   23642   3236    100.0    0.701
+12.0   42     5.60   1041     380   25205   3342    100.0    0.681
+16.0   44     5.80   1062     396   26815   3448    100.0    0.662
+20.0   45     6.00   1084     412   28474   3553    100.0    0.645

Ok, so if this is for a .357 Mganum case, and the same 6" breech to muzzle = approximately my 4.75" barrel length, but before cylinder to barrel gap losses:

That 3.4 grain load is intriguing - IF Quickload is actually correct here (It is NOT always correct). Despite the only 26% fill of the available case volume, just a measly 3.4 grains (about 2000 loads per pound of powder!) would give me the 769 fps that exactly matches my actual fps from 4.1 grains of Trail Boss with the 158g bullet, it burns 100% of the powder, and slow burn time keeps the peak pressure low at just 10,601 psi. And, someone has said it burns clean. What's not to like?

However, this Quickload table is based on a 158 g Lee CAST bullet, correct? My swaged Hornady 158g SWC (pn 10408) might give different results? Or similar?

Jim G

 

[JimGnitecki]

I have to wonder why, when all 4 boxes each contain the exact same part number (10408) and quantity (300) of 158g swaged bullets, they changed box size from the smaller box to the larger one:



Note that most shipping rates take into account both weight (same for all 4 boxes) and size (2 different sizes, with the most recent being larger). So, the newer boxes probably cost more to ship. So, what prompted hornday to go to the larger box?

Jim G

 

[JimGnitecki]

My experienced budy got back to me on my question about a Canadian individual (not a licensed dealer) buying and importing loading components from a seller in The U.S. He says it is not generally legal. However . . .

He says it IS legal for a Canadian who is crossing the border in person to declare, import, and pay taxes and fees on loading components he/she bought while in The U.S., provided that does not violate any U.S. Federal or state laws. So, I could apparently buy from a U.S. seller and somehow get the items to just south of the border, and then pick them up in person and cross the border back to Canada . Apparently, some Canadians not far from the border do this.

I live only about 100km = 62 miles from the Montana border. However, there are only very small towns in that area of Montana. The closest "city" (i.e. more likely to have gun and shooting supply stores) is Great Falls, Montana, which for me is a 3 hour trip in each direction (plus gasoline, vehicle wear and tear, wintry weather issues). So, that might not be practical unless there is a really good shop down there on both price and availability.

Jim G

 

[P Flados]

[QUOTE="JimGnitecki, post: 12562654, member: 120061"
However, this Quickload table is based on a 158 g Lee CAST bullet, correct? My swaged Hornady 158g SWC (pn 10408) might give different results? Or similar?

Jim G[/QUOTE]

Swaged bullets should perform essentially the same as cast bullets provided they are loaded to the same seating depth. I just used the cast bullet out of habit. I re-ran the Titegroup table with the exact Hornady bullet and got the same performance with the same (0.312") seating depth. If I run the Hornady bullet with the same AOL, seating depth increases to 0.390" and velocities increase.

Cartridge          : .357 Magnum (SAAMI)
Bullet             : .358, 158, Hornady SWC 10408
Cartridge O.A.L. L6: 1.590 inch = 40.39 mm
Barrel Length      : 6.0 inch = 152.4 mm
Powder             : Hodgdon TiteGroup

Step    Fill. Charge   Vel.  Energy   Pmax   Pmuz  Prop.Burnt B_Time
 %       %    Grains   fps   ft.lbs    psi    psi      %        ms

-40.0   25     3.00    734     189   10001   1875    100.0    1.070
-36.0   27     3.20    764     205   11151   1981    100.0    1.019
-32.0   29     3.40    794     221   12361   2087    100.0    0.972
-28.0   30     3.60    823     238   13630   2193    100.0    0.927
-24.0   32     3.80    851     254   14957   2299    100.0    0.886
-20.0   34     4.00    878     270   16343   2404    100.0    0.849
-16.0   36     4.20    904     287   17786   2509    100.0    0.816
-12.0   37     4.40    929     303   19288   2613    100.0    0.786
-08.0   39     4.60    954     319   20849   2717    100.0    0.758
-04.0   41     4.80    979     336   22468   2820    100.0    0.732
+00.0   42     5.00   1003     353   24146   2924    100.0    0.708
+04.0   44     5.20   1026     369   25884   3026    100.0    0.686
+08.0   46     5.40   1049     386   27682   3128    100.0    0.666
+12.0   47     5.60   1072     403   29541   3230    100.0    0.647
+16.0   49     5.80   1094     420   31462   3331    100.0    0.629  ! Near Maximum !
+20.0   51     6.00   1116     437   33445   3432    100.0    0.613  ! Near Maximum !

 

[AJC1]

My experienced budy got back to me on my question about a Canadian individual (not a licensed dealer) buying and importing loading components from a seller in The U.S. He says it is not generally legal. However . . .

He says it IS legal for a Canadian who is crossing the border in person to declare, import, and pay taxes and fees on loading components he/she bought while in The U.S., provided that does not violate any U.S. Federal or state laws. So, I could apparently buy from a U.S. seller and somehow get the items to just south of the border, and then pick them up in person and cross the border back to Canada . Apparently, some Canadians not far from the border do this.

I live only about 100km = 62 miles from the Montana border. However, there are only very small towns in that area of Montana. The closest "city" (i.e. more likely to have gun and shooting supply stores) is Great Falls, Montana, which for me is a 3 hour trip in each direction (plus gasoline, vehicle wear and tear, wintry weather issues). So, that might not be practical unless there is a really good shop down there on both price and availability.

Jim G

If one is trying to stay legal, get a po box on the closest boarder town, ship there and then claim as you cross.

 

[ballman6711]

If one is trying to stay legal, get a po box on the closest boarder town, ship there and then claim as you cross.

This was my thought as well, but I have a PO Box and some company's won't ship to it. It's kind of funny, I live about 500 yards from the Post Office, but because our road isn't paved they won't deliver to our street.

Fed EX and UPS will sometimes deliver to our door, and sometimes to the PO Box, so be sure to check how they deliver and if they will deliver to a box.

chris

 

[Seedy Character]

I used a lot of Unique, Clays, Bullseye, 700-X, Green Dot, Herco and Red Dot.

Then I struck gold




MANY powders are good for what you want.

To use less powder and reduce recoil; load lighter bullets.
I use 125 gr, 115 gr, 105 gr, 98 gr and 95 gr.

The 98 gr powder coated RN has become my favorite. Loaded in .38 Spl brass.

You have MANY options.

 

[JimGnitecki]

[QUOTE="JimGnitecki, post: 12562654, member: 120061"
However, this Quickload table is based on a 158 g Lee CAST bullet, correct? My swaged Hornady 158g SWC (pn 10408) might give different results? Or similar?

Jim G

Swaged bullets should perform essentially the same as cast bullets provided they are loaded to the same seating depth. I just used the cast bullet out of habit. I re-ran the Titegroup table with the exact Hornady bullet and got the same performance with the same (0.312") seating depth. If I run the Hornady bullet with the same AOL, seating depth increases to 0.390" and velocities increase.

Cartridge          : .357 Magnum (SAAMI)
Bullet             : .358, 158, Hornady SWC 10408
Cartridge O.A.L. L6: 1.590 inch = 40.39 mm
Barrel Length      : 6.0 inch = 152.4 mm
Powder             : Hodgdon TiteGroup

Step    Fill. Charge   Vel.  Energy   Pmax   Pmuz  Prop.Burnt B_Time
 %       %    Grains   fps   ft.lbs    psi    psi      %        ms

-40.0   25     3.00    734     189   10001   1875    100.0    1.070
-36.0   27     3.20    764     205   11151   1981    100.0    1.019
-32.0   29     3.40    794     221   12361   2087    100.0    0.972
-28.0   30     3.60    823     238   13630   2193    100.0    0.927
-24.0   32     3.80    851     254   14957   2299    100.0    0.886
-20.0   34     4.00    878     270   16343   2404    100.0    0.849
-16.0   36     4.20    904     287   17786   2509    100.0    0.816
-12.0   37     4.40    929     303   19288   2613    100.0    0.786
-08.0   39     4.60    954     319   20849   2717    100.0    0.758
-04.0   41     4.80    979     336   22468   2820    100.0    0.732
+00.0   42     5.00   1003     353   24146   2924    100.0    0.708
+04.0   44     5.20   1026     369   25884   3026    100.0    0.686
+08.0   46     5.40   1049     386   27682   3128    100.0    0.666
+12.0   47     5.60   1072     403   29541   3230    100.0    0.647
+16.0   49     5.80   1094     420   31462   3331    100.0    0.629  ! Near Maximum !
+20.0   51     6.00   1116     437   33445   3432    100.0    0.613  ! Near Maximum !

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The 1.590" is the SAAMI maximum for COAL for 357 Magnum, and I try to stay slightly below that since COAL varies, especially with lead bullets. So the above table is directly applicable to me. IF the table proves accurate, and I want fps to be between 700 fps and 800 fps (I'll do ladder testing and choose the most accurate load weight), I will likely end up using somewhere in the 3.2 to 3.4 grain range. The clyinder gap might necessitate a bit more. Sounds good to me, if it proves to be accurate!

Jim G

 

[JimGnitecki]

This was my thought as well, but I have a PO Box and some company's won't ship to it. It's kind of funny, I live about 500 yards from the Post Office, but because our road isn't paved they won't deliver to our street.

Fed EX and UPS will sometimes deliver to our door, and sometimes to the PO Box, so be sure to check how they deliver and if they will deliver to a box.

chris

Yes some vendors won"t accept a delivery address different than the billing address. It's an anti-fraud thing.

Jim G

 

[AJC1]

I get the affinity for trail boss, because I load 45-70 and case fill is much more difficult. The 38/357 will eat almost anything within reason.

 

[JimGnitecki]

I get the affinity for trail boss, because I load 45-70 and case fill is much more difficult. The 38/357 will eat almost anything within reason.

Yeah, a coule of decades ago, I was shooting a Pedersoli with a falling block action and TALL ladder sight, in .45-70 in CAS side matches. It was a total blast doing so! A year ago, I watched another shooter firing one at a range on Vancouver Island at 300 yards. It brought back great memories!

Jim G