.357 Magnum? So much for 1 shot stops........

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Dogs are WIMPS!

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Pound for pound, the toughest dogs in the world are skinnykitties :D.

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This link is just hilarious:

http://www.ferretocious.com/match2.html
 
My favorite pitbull in town is the shot one. The one that lies in the street. He is dead and so he is my favorite pitbull. :cuss:



Pitbulls were not bread to be pets in suburbia. They were bread to take down bulls.

Own pitbulls if you like, just don't let me ever see them alone on the street.
 
Pitbulls were not bread to be pets in suburbia. They were bread to take down bulls.

Own pitbulls if you like, just don't let me ever see them alone on the street.

WonderNine:

First of all, unless you think we're referring to baked goods, I believe the word you're looking for is "bred."
Second, bull-baiting hasn't taken place in the US or UK for over a hundred years, at least not on an organized or regular basis.
Third, the pits that are used to fight other dogs are not, as a rule, selectively bred for it. They are simply allowed to breed indiscriminately, then mistreated until they are vicious.
Fourth, I recall a case a few years back wherein a small girl was savagely mauled by a Labrador retriever/Newfoundland mix. Does this mean that if you see a Lab walking down the street you'd shoot it?
Fifth, it is a well proven fact that the most frequent biters are dalmations and cocker spaniels. I believe that dobies and poodles are pretty far up there as well. If you saw one of these breeds on the street, would you shoot them?

I don't plan on ever owning a pit, but as I've said I'm planning on getting some Dogo Agentino's after I get out of the Marine Corp. Dogo's look a lot like pits to those ignorant of the breed. You say "just don't let me see them alone on the street"? I say, don't let me catch you trying to attack my dog. And may I just add that anyone who would shoot a dog who wasn't a threat simply because they dislike the breed, is no better than those vandals who torched the SUV dealership in California.
 
Well said Balog. I have a Rottie (my second one actually), and I am tired of people talking negatively about the breed. Read and learn, that goes to both people developing opinions about breeds and those that are interested in owning a certain breed.

Wondernine, indiscriminate killing is both illegal and unethical. With a comment like that, it is nothing but fuel for anti-gun people. Keep in mind, a lot of these P.E.T.A. types are also against gun ownership.
 
Pits ARE aggressive leaning dogs. They are dog-aggressive by nature. Regardless of any haughty AKC names or titles they may have, they are aggressive dogs.

"Oh, my pit/staff/american staff/, etc. is just a big baby. He's just a lovable family dog..." Then the dog kills a neighbors dog and they say "Oh, he's never done that before. He's always been sweet."

Um, yeah... Sure. It's always "he's never done that before", because they are rightfully put down the first time they do it, hence - no second time.

I'm not against large, powerful dogs. I have a dog, I love Dobermans, German Shepards, Malamutes, etc., but pits are a lot of times a ticking time bomb.

A contact head shot is the best way to put one away, if they are attacking another dog.

Steve
 
I am not coming on like I am pro-pitbull. It was only a month or so ago that a pitbull attacked and killed my Grandfathers Cairn Terrier. But, I have met people with American Staff. Terriers, they were bred right and raised properly, and the dogs were fine. Look at the dog on the L'il Rascals, an Am. Staff., great dog. The Am. Staff. was once considered the "American" dog. I still say with proper breeding, raising and training these dogs are ok. I am going to try to stop now, as this has really strayed from the threads topic.
 
We have had two of our Officers shoot Pit Bulls with our issue CorBon 135 gr .40's. One in the head and one in the chest. Both dogs wandered off to be picked up by animal control. One Pit bull was shot by an Officer with a .223 TAP round. From above through the right shoulder and out the bottom left at an angle. It wandered off and waited for Animal control. The only one shot stop on a dog I know of was an almost contact shot with a 12GA 00 buck straight down into the shoulders. That planted him. dogs are incredibly tough. I had a dog fighting one of mine, in MY yard. On the third swing with a piece of 2 FT long 2" PVC, the pipe broke and the dog let go of my dog.
 
Fifth, it is a well proven fact that the most frequent biters are dalmations and cocker spaniels. I believe that dobies and poodles are pretty far up there as well.


Which breed is worst depends on the year the study was done. Black labs topped the list one year - it happened that black labs were the most populous breed that year. These 'studies' don't usually control for such things - they're just counts of attacks by breed, so they are highly misleading.

But pits rarely make the list. Unless they are raised by idiots (and it may be that the majority ARE) they are no more likely to attack for no reason than any other breed.

'Course, when they DO, it ain't pretty.




Jim, that ferret link IS hilarious! Is dat yours?
 
No, I went looking for fert pics for this thread and found that.

In that first pic above, you'd have to know ferrets to realize that it's actually jumping *sideways* in that shot. Look carefully at his rear feet. It LOOKS like he's jumping for the dog, but he's not, it's a circling move.

Another thing: explore that site, and you'll see some short videos that show what we call the "weasel wardance", a happy hoppy boinging action they do in play and mid-wrestle. When they get serious air like in that first shot above, it's in play.

Mine would play just like that, with each other, cats, people, dogs at the park they just met, whatever :).

BUT the wardance has a serious side. When they're seriously pissed, they do a different version of it that's quite clearly a combat technique, and one hideously effective against dogs. They stay lower, jumping sideways in random patterns while snarling like demons. They're trying to get the dog to lunge, they go sideways then leap straight to the dog's throat so they can lock on with the teeth and start tearing with all four sets of claws like buzz-saws. The dog can't get at 'em under there. THAT is how a fert can really kill an attacking dog.

I've seen aggressive dogs back off when they start the "combat version" of the wardance. None of mine ever had to do the finishing part of the sequence but I've read accounts of what it's like. They go utterly berzerk.

They don't do this without cause, but they sure as hell know what all-out war means. And then once it's over, they revert right back to happy'n'playful with no apparant mental trauma whatsoever, not at ALL like a cat after a mortal fight.

This lack of fear makes them completely outgoing among strangers or new animals, to the utter shock of most folks. They'll hop up into the lap of somebody they've never seen before, roll over on their back and want a belly-rub.

And all this out of something small enough to sleep in a sweatshirt front pocket or smaller.
 
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Here in my city we had a few Pits shot by the local PD. All were with 40 caliber 165 grain Speer Gold Dots. All were one shot stops. I am not saying it means anything, but that the officers involved had good placement and were lucky.
 
All mammals have a certain amount of oxygen disolved in thier blood. This measurement is called a PO2. Dogs have a 40% higher PO2 than humans. When you shoot a dog in the lungs there is still a plentiful supply of O2 going to it's vital organs. That may be one of the reasons why it is harder to stop a dog with one shot.
I'm sure there are many other reasons. Is there a veterinarian in the house?
 
Posts like that are one of the things I love about THR.

Ya learn sumthin new ever' day, Jonesy!



Thanks for that info, tankbuster.
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(You must be an OLLLLD bugger! 106s were being phased out when I was in. I went through one of the first TOW classes at Ft. Carson.)
 
One shot stops for dogs

Twice in my long and illustrious career as LEO I have had the unfortunate experience of trying to put down a bad dog. One as a Military Base Police and one as a "civilian" cop. (Contradiction of terms?) Both dogs were hit center mass with 12 Ga double 0, both bowled over in ther tracks, and both of them @#$%^&* got up and made it home!! The second one almost got me canned. Not because I took him out after repeated warnings to his owner and after this time he had chased and scared a group of school kids, but because he made it home, gut shot, hanging all out and stuff and the owner saw him that way before a vet finished him off with sodium nitrate. (or whatever) I hate doing that, but for some reason they won't let me take the owners out, instead of the dog!
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