mcb
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A 25 or 625 in 45 Colt would have probably the best double action trigger available in 45 Colt, though it will not take the same abuse that the Redhawk will.
"Purpose would be social functions, woods gun, and a nightstand gun."
IMHO a large DA revolver in 45colt would be just fine for a woods gun or nightstand gun. If really hot 45colt rounds are required, it would pretty much have to be a Redhawk or Super Redhawk.
I'm not sure what the OP means by "social functions". If it has anything to do with CC, a Redhawk would be difficult. (Cue the many responses by people who CC large revolvers all day long every day.)
Does Charter Arms have a Bulldog-type revolver in 45colt? Moar gunz = Gude
The super redhawk uses the same grip as the gp100. There are alot of options available for the gp100/Super redhawk, so it's easy to find a grip that fits your hand. The regular redhawk on the other hand is much more limited grip with options because of the frame . Here's some images of the differences. Again I agree with others the 45 colt is a better caliber. But make sure you actually like how a redhawk feels. The gp100/super redhawk are much more ergonomic and tend to have better triggers due to designs. I got my redhawk for a steel on the broker , didn't like how it felt and sent it down the road. My gp100 on the other hand is much more comfortable to handle and ain't going anywhere.Scratch that. Buddy has a *Super* Redhawk in .44 Mag, w/ a 7.5 inch barrel.
Correct.Ah. The Redhawk is styled along the lines of S&W and Colt (shaped grip frames), while the GP100 is the peg frame ?
That helped a lot. Gonna try to swing by the local Academy tomorrow, see if they have one I can fondle.... er... handleI own both, shoot both 3”&6” GP .357 and Redhawk 45 ACP/45 Colt. Deer are light skinned and not big boned and .357 works just fine. Moose, Brown bear not so much. Placement and penetration are essential in both caliber. Recoil is subjective to a point but a hot loaded (eg) 325 grain @1300fps @ muzzle is an attention getter from the Redhawk (with practice a tolerance can be achieved) but would be my go to weapon against larger quarry. I CC both. Home defense is either 38 Special+P or 45 Colt PDX or Silvertips. Hope this helps
PS The round butt on that Redhawk allows my shorter fingers easy access to trigger and recoil with the aforementioned defensive rounds equates (in my opinion) to light.357’s in the GP100.
Yet another example of why we should use the term “.45 Long Colt”.
No, shooters should be educated about the proper name of cartridges.
45 Long Colt is what the guy behind the counter at the local gun store asks you when he is not familiar with the proper name of the cartridge. You asked for 45 Colt, he asked 'do you mean 45 Long Colt?' because he wants to make sure you don't want 45 ACP.
These cartridges are all over 100 years old.
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These rounds are brand new.
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This is the official SAAMI drawing of the cartridge and chamber. Notice the name in the upper right corner.
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If you want 45 Schofield, you ask for 45 Schofield.
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Just because some companies choose to label their boxes 45 Long Colt does not mean it is correct.
Brown/grizzly bears can charge at speeds of up to 35 mph. Olympic-class sprinters can do almost 28. There ain't gonna be a lot of shots fired, and certainly no reloads.
If I worked selling ammunition I might call it "45 long colt" also. Both the well-versed and the ignorant would understand what I meant. I guess I could call it "45 (long) colt" in my head, just to save my self-respect.
Brown/grizzly bears can charge at speeds of up to 35 mph. Olympic-class sprinters can do almost 28. There ain't gonna be a lot of shots fired, and certainly no reloads.
Yet we read lots of account of false charges, were the bear charges pulls up short possibly due to a warning shot, bear spray, or even being shot, they retreat, and return, etc. Some of these bear attacks are drawn out affairs not simply a single determined charge. The double action revolver give you the option of a fast reload while on the move if the situation allows, the single action revolver does not.
Keep telling yourself that. I can top off easily as well. But you will not have time for a reload and you will not be shooting anything with meaningful recoil double-action. Again, with a little practice you can rattle off a cylinder in a single-action revolver very fast, but you likely won’t have the opportunity.
I don't believe recoil difference is the issue (there is none). What they are saying is that the extremely heavy recoil (for both SA & DA) in the big handgun calibers does not give a DA revolver any advantage in terms of faster followup shots because the recovery time is so long. Therefore a SA revolver can be shot as quickly as a DA revolver. That leaves faster reloading as the only advantage a DA has over the SA. However taking into consideration the speed at which a bear charges some believe that if the stop doesn't happen during the first 6 shots the animal will be on you before you can reload either DA or SA. Therefore the conclusion is that for bear protection a SA is equal to DA.What does recoil have to do with double-action? I can't remember the last time I thumbed back one of my N-frames. Even 44 Mag I shoot double-action, all the time. The last two deer I shot were both double-action. Unless I am shooting over a rest I am more accurate double action than single action. Last week I was ringing a 18"x24" inch plate at 100 yards double-action. The few time I have shot a buddies X-frame it was double action, the recoil was no worst for the decision. What does double-action or single-action have to do with absorbing the recoil?
What does recoil have to do with double-action? I can't remember the last time I thumbed back one of my N-frames. Even 44 Mag I shoot double-action, all the time. The last two deer I shot were both double-action. Unless I am shooting over a rest I am more accurate double action than single action. Last week I was ringing a 18"x24" inch plate at 100 yards double-action. The few time I have shot a buddies X-frame it was double action, the recoil was no worst for the decision. What does double-action or single-action have to do with absorbing the recoil?
I don't believe recoil difference is the issue (there is none). What they are saying is that the extremely heavy recoil (for both SA & DA) in the big handgun calibers does not give a DA revolver any advantage in terms of faster followup shots because the recovery time is so long. Therefore a SA revolver can be shot as quickly as a DA revolver. That leaves faster reloading as the only advantage a DA has over the SA. However taking into consideration the speed at which a bear charges some believe that if the stop doesn't happen during the first 6 shots the animal will be on you before you can reload either DA or SA. Therefore the conclusion is that for bear protection a SA is equal to DA.
Yep every time bears are brought up threads spiral out of control. Only way to solve his is.....a thunderdome. Two men, one bear. Two men enter one man leave! Or maybe both leave in the belly of the bear?I can accept that for the big bore heavy recoiling revolvers like 454 Casull on up. But there are enough document cases of the bears starting an attack, leaving only to returning to continue an attack, that the reloading advantage is not negated in all bear attacks. I would also argue that 44 Mag and 45 Colt loaded to comparable pressure/power-levels is sufficient for an overwhelming majority of bears. Bears are not up-armored like Humvees despite what the internet seems to think and there are lots of accounts of handguns well below 44 Mag/45 Colt power levels being successfully used in defense against even brown and grizzly bears. A shooter that practices can certainly fire a revolver even one at 44mag/45Colt recoil levels faster double action then they can single action.
I personally can shoot my 44 Mag double action faster and more accurately than I can my single action 357 Mag but I like and practice with the double action and don't with my single action so there is that. I will take the guy that practices with his 357 Mag 686 in bear country over the guy the thinks his 500 JRH single-action means he doesn't have too any day of the week and twice on bruin-attack day.
Why to bear threads always turn into this?
I believe I've decided (based on cartridge) on the .45 Colt. However, I'm still gonna try to handle both the round butt and square butt Redhawk,and a GP100.Yep every time bears are brought up threads spiral out of control. Only way to solve his is.....a thunderdome. Two men, one bear. Two men enter one man leave! Or maybe both leave in the belly of the bear?
But ya make a good point about putting rounds in target. If you can't hit crap with them big ol thumpers than your better off with a gun you can handle. A small hole with a chance of saving oneself is better than no hole and supper for a bear.
Anyways looking forward to hearing what the OP decides on.
Exactly!I don't believe recoil difference is the issue (there is none). What they are saying is that the extremely heavy recoil (for both SA & DA) in the big handgun calibers does not give a DA revolver any advantage in terms of faster followup shots because the recovery time is so long. Therefore a SA revolver can be shot as quickly as a DA revolver. That leaves faster reloading as the only advantage a DA has over the SA. However taking into consideration the speed at which a bear charges some believe that if the stop doesn't happen during the first 6 shots the animal will be on you before you can reload either DA or SA. Therefore the conclusion is that for bear protection a SA is equal to DA.
It is going to hold true for anything heavier than .45ACP or .357. Recoil is the great equalizer.I can accept that for the big bore heavy recoiling revolvers like 454 Casull on up. But there are enough document cases of the bears starting an attack, leaving only to returning to continue an attack, that the reloading advantage is not negated in all bear attacks. I would also argue that 44 Mag and 45 Colt loaded to comparable pressure/power-levels is sufficient for an overwhelming majority of bears. Bears are not up-armored like Humvees despite what the internet seems to think and there are lots of accounts of handguns well below 44 Mag/45 Colt power levels being successfully used in defense against even brown and grizzly bears. A shooter that practices can certainly fire a revolver even one at 44mag/45Colt recoil levels faster double action then they can single action.
It should be obvious that an individual is going to be quicker with the platform he's more proficient with.I personally can shoot my 44 Mag double action faster and more accurately than I can my single action 357 Mag but I like and practice with the double action and don't with my single action so there is that.
Why do all discussions of terminal ballistics turn into a shot placement argument? In any discussion of terminal effect, shot placement is a given. So statements that hits with blowguns are better than misses with 20mm Vulcans are really tangential and irrelevant deflections.I will take the guy that practices with his 357 Mag 686 in bear country over the guy the thinks his 500 JRH single-action means he doesn't have too any day of the week and twice on bruin-attack day.
Nice. Keep an open mind to the 44 special aswell. The 5" halflug blued gp100 or the 3" stainless guns are sweeeeet. Underwood and buffalo bore offer hardcast loads that are 255gr @1000 fps and will have lots of penetration for game. I believe that's the limit forwhat you would safely use in the gp's due to the thin forcing cones. @CraigC can probably chime in on that one. There are some defensive 44 special rounds aswell. It may be a great middle of the road setup for what your looking for. You get a handy gun with Lots of grip options, with a nice big fat round that will penetrate well. 44 special shines if you reload and that 255@1000 fps is tolerable in lighter guns. My Blackhawk weighs 37oz and it manages just fine recoil wise.I believe I've decided (based on cartridge) on the .45 Colt. However, I'm still gonna try to handle both the round butt and square butt Redhawk,and a GP100.