.416 Hushpuppy

[tcoz]

Has anybody heard about this yet or seen it at Shot Show? That is certainly one strange looking round. As 300 BLK gains in popularity, I suppose we might see other new cartridges try to capitalize on the big bullet subsonic thing. With the problems some people have feeding 300 from standard AR mags, I can't imagine the potential reliability issues this could cause, especially if people started handloading it. I just thought it was interesting.

http://www.gunsamerica.com/blog/fat-flat-not-fast-meet-416-hushpuppy-shot-show-2015/

 

[roadchoad]

Tiny case, deep seated heavy bullet. Has to be slower than 300 BO. Notice there are no trajectory or muzzle velocities listed listed? Can you spell rainbow?

 

[Sam1911]

Fat, Flat, and Not So Fast. Meet the Hushpuppy! The fat part is right. And it is rumored to shoot very flat.

And I'm "rumored" to look great in a dress!


Huge bullet + tiny powder charge != flat shooting.

 

[jerkface11]

Kind of a useless cartridge. Bullets are too expensive for plinking but the ballistics aren't good enough for hunting.

 

[fireman 9731]

Yep, I wanted to see some velocities. Its not doing anything a handloader with a 45-70 cant do.

 

[roadchoad]

Anything to sell more uppers I guess.

 

[yzguy87]

$2.50/rd

 

[WestKentucky]

Has anybody heard about this yet or seen it at Shot Show? That is certainly one strange looking round. As 300 BLK gains in popularity, I suppose we might see other new cartridges try to capitalize on the big bullet subsonic thing. With the problems some people have feeding 300 from standard AR mags, I can't imagine the potential reliability issues this could cause, especially if people started handloading it. I just thought it was interesting.

http://www.gunsamerica.com/blog/fat-flat-not-fast-meet-416-hushpuppy-shot-show-2015/

I will very strongly disagree with hand loaded ammo being sub-par on reliability and feeding. Some people do stupid things true enough, but the majority of hand loaders do so to create better ammo at a more realistic price. Better quite often means faster, more accurate, more reliable, less recoil...sacrificing the basic thought of the round actually operating the gun is absurd.

 

[tcoz]

I will very strongly disagree with hand loaded ammo being sub-par on reliability and feeding. Some people do stupid things true enough, but the majority of hand loaders do so to create better ammo at a more realistic price. Better quite often means faster, more accurate, more reliable, less recoil...sacrificing the basic thought of the round actually operating the gun is absurd.

Not the point I was making. The ammo I handload is better than any I buy and the same goes for most of us. That's why most of us handload in the first place. I was referring to the fact that the big heavy fat 300 BLK bullets are notorious for causing magazine feeding issues out of some AR mags if they arent loaded to a specific OAL which is dependent on the bullet profile. In the case of the .416 Hushpuppy, you'd be loading a much bigger, fatter, heavier bullet single stacked in a magazine that was designed for double stacked lighter, skinnier bullets. This could cause a problem for handloaders at least initially until things got sorted out.

 

[Jason_W]

Subsonics and suppressors are really "in" right now, huh?

I guess I could see the point if more states allowed the use of suppressors while hunting. I wouldn't mind being able to shoot game without the discomfort of a gunshot on a silent morning, and I'm sure neighbors would appreciate suppressor use in areas where hunting was allowed, but population density was still somewhat high.

I'd definitely want a bullet that was engineered to expand at subsonic velocities, though.

 

[Speedo66]

Things that stuck out to me in their ad were "tolerable recoil", and accurate on a man sized target at 200 yards. Hopefully, that's not the best it can do. And how hard hitting is "tolerable"?

Kind of odd looking case, with the rim smaller than the case body.

 

[bangswitch]

Not the point I was making. The ammo I handload is better than any I buy and the same goes for most of us. That's why most of us handload in the first place. I was referring to the fact that the big heavy fat 300 BLK bullets are notorious for causing magazine feeding issues out of some AR mags if they arent loaded to a specific OAL which is dependent on the bullet profile. In the case of the .416 Hushpuppy, you'd be loading a much bigger, fatter, heavier bullet single stacked in a magazine that was designed for double stacked lighter, skinnier bullets. This could cause a problem for handloaders at least initially until things got sorted out.

That's why reloading data has recommendations for OAL based on the projectile dimensions, and why, as a handloader, you have to experiment a bit to see what feeds best. 300BLK is no worse than many other calibers adapted to a platform that wasn't originally designed for them.

The .416 Hushpuppy (stupid name, IMO) will have MV's around 1000 fps, so it should compare to 300BLK in that respect, but the downrange energy should be awesome, throwing a projectile twice the weight (450 grain) as a 300BLK sub, with a BC 1.5X what the 220's have. They're intended to tumble upon hitting the target, in order to create a large wound channel from the lower velocity. I don't have a clue what powder would be used, my guess is something very fast, due to the limited case volume. The cases are derivative of .50 Action Express from what I've read, and will probably use a modified 7.62 bolt in the AR platform. Reloading dies aren't yet available.

Another solution in search of a problem, maybe, but who knows?

 

[silicosys4]

I guess this is for all the people who were disappointed with real world results in subsonic hunting with the .300 blackout.
Just like blackpowder, you can't go faster so go bigger. Frankly, I'm not impressed with the performance. The .458 socom will do anything this round will, and then some.
I'm pretty uninterested in subsonic rounds that use rifle bullets that have no chance of deforming or expanding.
I don't expect it to be an earthshaker in terms of sales.

 

[jerkface11]

I'm pretty uninterested in subsonic rounds that use rifle bullets that have no chance of deforming or expanding

Yup they'd be better off using a pistol bullet.

 

[cat_IT_guy]

Im glad to see gun companies trying to innovate, but this one doesnt do much for me. Granted, I live in a "no suppressors" state. But even if I did live in a suppressor state, given the investment into something with a future that is far from guaranteed, I just dont see much use for it.

 

[Swing]

.416 Hushpuppy (stupid name, IMO)

Oh, yah.

 

[Bezoar]

actually,,,,,

depending on the twist rate,,, if you could get a custom mold made for it, you could have fun with lswchp in it. think 38/44 special noise level with an exit like a 220 grain jsp out of a 30-06.

 

[Aaron Baker]

Single stack in an AR mag?
Big bullets?
Subsonic velocities?
Can be suppressed using a .45 can?

If I want that, I think I'll just stick with my .458 SOCOM, thanks. Single stacks in unmodified AR mags, can use 500 grain bullets at subsonic velocities through my .45 can, and also has the ability to shoot supersonic loads with a whole range of lighter projectiles. Bullet selection is basically anything you can load in a .45-70.

I think they might have missed the boat on this one. Not sure how this is better than a .458 SOCOM. It appears to have less case volume. I guess that means, with a shorter case, you can load those really long spitzer rounds (vs. a 500 grain round nose in .458). But what's the point? Is it really stabilizing those rounds at subsonic velocities? Apparently not, since keyholing... er, sorry... tumbling to create a larger wound channel is specified as a feature.

I dunno. Personally? Not interested.

Aaron

 

[cammogunner]

man all i know is that cartridge name scares me i mean wow if you walk up to someone and say you wanna see my hushpuppy you might be arrested in some circles lol

 

[GAMEOVER44]

$2.50/rd

Ill pass im not rich... thanks.. im happy with my 358 Win.

 

[BigBore45]

looks dumb to me, in that fact i think the 300 blk out is dumb. why not just use a 7.62x39 and run heavy bullets at slow speeds threw that. or just build a 45 acp upper.