44 magnum question
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savanahsdad
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some powders call for a mag primer, and other use a LPP only , what powder do you plain on useing?
savanahsdad
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here is a good link about just this ,
http://www.loaddata.com/articles/detial.cfm?articleID=149
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savanahsdad
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go to loaddata.com click on the Articles then Miscellaneous then go down to 08/15/11 Magnum primers for hanguns
Schwing
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You only need to use magnum primers if you are using a magnum powder. Many powders commonly used in magnum loads don't actually need magnum primers. I use MP300 and it does not call for magnum primers. I know you hear this a lot but the powder manufacturers will list what primer you should use in the published load data.
rcmodel
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TiteGroup would not need a Magnum primer.
But it would also be very low on the list of suitable powders for the .44 Magnum.
You can use it for light target loads.
But certainly not for full power Magnum loads.
For that, you have to use a slower burning powder, and much more of it.
Something like Alliant 2400, Hodgdon H-110, or WW-296 would do it.
H-110 & WW-296 require Magnum primers.
2400 does not.
rc
But it would also be very low on the list of suitable powders for the .44 Magnum.
You can use it for light target loads.
But certainly not for full power Magnum loads.
For that, you have to use a slower burning powder, and much more of it.
Something like Alliant 2400, Hodgdon H-110, or WW-296 would do it.
H-110 & WW-296 require Magnum primers.
2400 does not.
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As with any cartridge, magnum or not, follow the load data, it will indicate whether or not a magnum primer is needed for any particular powder. The fact that a cartridge is named a "magnum" does not indicate which type of primer is necessary, it's the powder that determines that, or rather the specifics of the published load one uses.
I do know that H110 and 296, which are both the same powder, require a magnum primer. And also, if you use H110 / 296, don't reduce the charge to less than the published starting charge.
Always follow the published data as it is expressed.
GS
I do know that H110 and 296, which are both the same powder, require a magnum primer. And also, if you use H110 / 296, don't reduce the charge to less than the published starting charge.
Always follow the published data as it is expressed.
GS
RealGun
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Hodgdon has published loads for Titegroup and .44 Magnum. Titegroup does not call for a magnum primer.
NeuseRvrRat
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why?
grubbylabs
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Because we have magnumitis and we feel much better about using magnum primers.
I would not be surprised that if during testing they found a little more consistency in pressure and speed with a magnum primer.
But all I really know for sure is that Hornady,Speer, and the powder makers put a lot more time into testing the components than I do. So I just do what they suggest.
I would not be surprised that if during testing they found a little more consistency in pressure and speed with a magnum primer.
But all I really know for sure is that Hornady,Speer, and the powder makers put a lot more time into testing the components than I do. So I just do what they suggest.
oldpapps
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"to reload 44 magnum.My question is do I need a magnum primer or can I use a regular large pistol primer?"
The word 'magnum' tacked on to a cartridge name is a marketing tool. Usually to bring attention to the increases/greater case length/velocities/energies/noise/cost/ add your view.
When added to a primer designation, it is to indicate a hotter/longer primer flame. This is all relative to the same manufacture, others have their own standards and they may be similar or not.
Some propellants are coated for many reasons. Some may require hotter/longer flame from the primer to 'get er goin'. These tend to also be the ones that do better with heavier bullet pull (crimp). Other propellants do very well with lesser primer flames and only enough neck tension to hold the bullet in place.
End results are: 'Magnum' primers are needed for those powders that require them. Other powders don't need them, but that doesn't rule out their use. Follow the suggestions of your reloading manual/s and or other published sources.
The word 'magnum' tacked on to a cartridge name is a marketing tool. Usually to bring attention to the increases/greater case length/velocities/energies/noise/cost/ add your view.
When added to a primer designation, it is to indicate a hotter/longer primer flame. This is all relative to the same manufacture, others have their own standards and they may be similar or not.
Some propellants are coated for many reasons. Some may require hotter/longer flame from the primer to 'get er goin'. These tend to also be the ones that do better with heavier bullet pull (crimp). Other propellants do very well with lesser primer flames and only enough neck tension to hold the bullet in place.
End results are: 'Magnum' primers are needed for those powders that require them. Other powders don't need them, but that doesn't rule out their use. Follow the suggestions of your reloading manual/s and or other published sources.
TenDriver
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H110 & W296 need the magnum primer for complete ignition (I think).
mahansm
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H110/W296 (same powder) doesn't ignite reliably with standard primers, especially with a light bullet. Magnum primers are specified for a reason and work all the time. Winchester doesn't make a separate magnum primer in the large pistol size; WLP work fine in .44 mag for me with 240 grain jacketed hollowpoints and 23 - 24 grains of 296.
mdemetz
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Note Winchester makes only a Large Pistol primer which they say is for both Standard and Magnum loads. For small pistol they make both types.
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My favorite 44 Mag loads use H110/Win 296. They need magnum primers. I tried Unique and 2400. using both primers but found those powders to be very dirty in my revolvers and rifles. The ball powders are much cleaner and accurate for me.
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The only powders commonly used for .44 mag that I know of that NEED Magnum primers are H110/W296. While a magnum primer can be used for any of the powders used for .44mag, 2400 is known to be quirky when they are used, so the suggestion is to avoid them with it. Some published manuals show Magnum primers in all their loads. Just what they used for load development. Not bad or wrong, just how they did it. Even in .44, as opposed to a smaller case like .357, case capacity is close to enough volume that magnum primers may be just being cautious, compensating for a poor crimp, extreme cold weather or a under charge. The reason H110/W296 are hard to ignite is because of the retardant used on them to create their burn rate. This is also why they need a firm crimp and the high powder charge.
lloveless
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I use 2400 and 296. I have used both cci 300's and 350's. No appreciable difference in accuracy/recoil. Mag primers needed if shooting in an arctic environment-like -20 degrees F. Also check castboolits.com for more info.
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I use Unique and whatever Large Pistol primers that are available in my pet loads for the .44 Mag. I shoot a 240 grain Speer for hunting, an accurate AND effective load.
243winxb
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WLP or Rem 2 1/2 for 44 mag. Any/all powders.
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