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.44 Snub Options?

Discussion in 'Handguns: Revolvers' started by Brass Rain, Feb 23, 2011.

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  1. Brass Rain

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    I don't know how I stumbled on it, but I found the Charter Arms Bulldog Pug .44 Special revolver online, and thought it was a really neat idea. It was a shoe-in for a spot on my list, and I wanted it as a future, Winter-time carry gun when I could more easily hide the extra bulk and weight. But the reviews I'm finding are pretty mixed, from "I had it for years, shot thousands of rounds through it, and it still functions fine" to "It locked up on me and I sent it to the factory. Got it back and couldn't dry-fire it for a whole cylinder before it locked up again." And more like that. A revolver's big advantage is supreme reliability, so without that, I'm not very interested.

    I looked at other .44 options. Smith & Wesson has their Night Guard 329 which looks great but the MSRP is over $1000. Taurus has a Model 444 Ultralite which is made with Titanium for some reason, and is still pretty expensive at $733 MSRP. I wouldn't mind a Taurus for a plinking .22 but I've heard so many opposing opinions on them that I don't know if I could depend on one for my life. Ruger's only offering is their handcannon Alaskan which is supremely cool, but is also huge and heavy and also MSRPs for $1000.

    I don't think I'd use .44 Magnum out of whatever I found to fill this role, and choose .44 Special in stead (provided I could find any...) as I have no delusions of controlling high-powered Magnum loads with a 3" barrel. Still, I have a thing for the .44 caliber.

    Am I just going to have to save for a while and pay a grand for a decent one? :( Do you guys have experience with short-barreled .44s?
     
  2. Arizonagunrunner

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    I have two 44 specials. Both are great carry weapons, and both are super reliable. Taurus 431 and Rossi 720. Both are 3in tubes. I have no problem carrying them as a CCW. They are stoked with Blazer 200 grn Gold Dots. As for plinikng I use 200 grn flat points.
    If you can find one of these, get it. You will never look back.
     
  3. snooperman

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    I have a Taurus 44 special model 445, weighs 28 oz..

    that I like a great deal and have carried it on occasions , especially when camping or as a backup. It is a compact frame and can be found , evn though they are not made now.
     
  4. Beach Nut

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    Actually, Taurus is going to start manufacturing the 445 model again
    this year. I've been interested in getting a large caliber belly gun myself.
    I thought about the Charter Arms Pug, but I'd prefer something that held
    six rounds if possible. The Taurus UL444 would be a handful to shoot with
    .44 Magnum rounds and the Ruger Alaskan and the S&W Mountain Gun
    are good shooters, but very heavy to lug around. My search continues
    for now.
     
  5. Stainz

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    The 4" 329's are a bit pricey. Another snubby N-frame 6-shooter in .44M is the PC Shop 2 5/8" 629 UDR - ~$900 locally. For a tad less, if you can still find one as they were dropped recently, is the 2.5" 396NG, a standard hammer L-frame 5-shooter in .44 Special with a steel cylinder and weighing ~25 oz. The original 396's had a Ti cylinder and weighed <19 oz. I have the original L-frame .44 Specials - the EDC pocketable 18.7 oz 296, below, and it's SS 3" big brother, a 696. Both surface regularly in the used market ~$350-$800.

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  6. CuzinMike

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    Charter has obviously gone through some bad runs over the years, but my Bull Pug (which was manufactured 2 years ago) has been nothing if not reliable. I have over 1000 rounds through it, and have yet to have an issue of any kind. It's a little rough in the looks department, but the trigger is decent and it's every bit as accurate as any J frame I've shot.

    Mine's just a sample size of one, but for a winter carry gun and a year-round car gun I love it.
     
  7. Brass Rain

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    I don't see a huge benefit in using the super-light materials in a .44 caliber. Seems like with such a thumping cartridge, you'd welcome the additional weight of steel. Anyway, I'll look around for information on the models recommended so far. And thank you guys for those suggestions.
     
  8. jad0110

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    I've got a Taurus 431 3" I paid $265 for a few months ago. Love that gun, the trigger is as smooth as a S&W, it is dead on accurate, it is easy to conceal (same approximate size as a 3" K Frame) and it has proven to be quite reliable. Not a bad looker either.


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  9. phoglund

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    If you are patient and keep your eyes open distributors and large vendors sometimes have special runs done. I picked up a S&W Model 29 'Bounty Hunter' .44 Magnum with a 3" barrel from Buds Gun Shop for $566 in 2008.

    Here's a photo of one I found online (thanks whoever took this pic):

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    Oh, yeah, I've also got a Taurus .44 Special I picked up used at a gunshow the same year as the Bounty Hunter for $350. Here's a pic (Mine this time):

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    I have two. I bought a used Smith and Wesson 696-0 in 2000 for $365. It is a 5 shot .44 special on the stainless L Frame, with a 3" barrel, round butt. I limit it to low pressure loads. It is a beautiful gun.

    I also have a Smith and Wesson 24-4 Lew Horton Special which is a limited run of blued N Frame 6 shot .44 specials with a tapered 3" barrel, round butt. I paid
    $545 about 6 years ago. It will handle high pressure rounds as it is an N Frame. I shoot 240g Speer GDHP handloads over 17g of 2400. They've chrono'd 950fps.

    Both guns would most likely cost quite a bit more today. The model 24 may be a little heavy to carry concealed, but it too is a beautiful gun. I doubt I could ever sell either one.
     
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    I found this 3'' barrel that Numrich gun parts had for sale on gunbroker.com for $100 and put it on my 29-2. I am very much pleased with the results. It shoots as good at 25yds as the 6" that was original to it.

    I taylor make my 44 Magnum rounds to the power level I desire.

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  12. Brass Rain

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    I've looked up several of the models mentioned here and I guess most people aren't as interested in them as me, since many have been discontinued.
     
  13. Drail

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    I have carried an older Charter .44 since the 80s ( I got a really good one) but if I was going to look at replacing it today I would try to find the Taurus .44 Spl. either new or used. With a little bit of work they can be made into great carry guns that will be much better than the Charter. Very close to the S&W design. Rossi would be almost as nice. In .44 Spl. don't even think about an alloy model. You want all the weight you can get. The Charter is wonderful to carry all day at 19 oz. empty but it's not a lot of fun to shoot.
     
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    I have to second all the votes for Taurus and Rossi .44's. I have a Taurus Model 445, and a Model 441, 3-in. and a Rossi Model 720, 3-in. All of these are in my carry rotation, so I trust them explicitly. They are also great to shoot and very accurate.
     
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    The Bulldog is a lot of stopping power in a small package. Just a hair larger than a J frame S&W. My particular revolver has been 100% reliable but I do read about others with issues.

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    I have a bulldog like the one picktured above...19 oz (unloaded) and i pocket carry on occasion....mine has been 100% reliable.
     
  17. 9mm+

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    I own the Ruger Alaskan in .44 and love it. It's a recent purchase and I haven't taken it backpacking yet, but as you said, it's no lightweight. Honestly, that's exactly why I bought the Alaskan. In the immortal words of Patches O'Hoolihan, an airweight .44 is as useful as a "poopy flavored lollipop". ;) Ok, ok, airweight .44's are not useless, just painful.
     
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    I now own 5 Tauri in .44 Special. One is the blued 441 with the 3 inch barrel and the other snub is a 431 in stainless steel. The others are 4 inch models.

    There are 3 Rossi 720s at auction right now for Gun Broker.com.

    There have been at least one Taurus snub 441 or 431 at Gun Broker.com, Guns America.com, or at Auction Arms.com in the last 3 or 4 weeks.

    There is a 441 snub at one of these right now.... or was as of yesterday. Might still be there.

    All I know is that there has been a lot of bidding on the Tauri when they pop up.

    Sometimes several in a week. Rossis are bit harder to find.

    There's just something about that big chunk of lead that is comforting.
     
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    I had a Charter Arms Bulldog from about 2004 and it was junk, period. A friend who owns a gun shop called me in to look at a Taurus 445 which is about the same type of gun. Never been a Taurus fan and said I'd never own one. That gun changed my mind.

    I've seen reviews on here from people that have tried newer Charter revolvers and have no complaints. My experience left a bad taste, would never consider another.

    My advice, if Taurus is going to start making these again jump on one. It's easily twice the gun of a Charter. But you also see complaints on Taurus. So I'd want to handle the gun before buying.

    Just looked at the Taurus website, I don't see where they plan on making the 445 again. It seems well made but it's size tells me I wouldn't want to shoot anything besides regular .44 Spl loads out of it.

    You aren't going to find a 6 shot .44 in a small size so settle on 5 shots.

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    Am I the only one with a S&W 696 (3", 5-shot L frame .44 Sp with round butt)? Maybe I am, as they have not made it in years. I bought mine used at a gun show and don't think I have seen one for sale since. It's a bit heavy for CCW, but I have carried it on ourdoor trips. It's a very nice gun if you can find one, although I have found myself recommending the 329PD, the Scandium .44 Mag, loaded as a .44 Sp. It's got better sights, holds another round, is a lot lighter and if you need it you can stick magnum rounds in there.
     
  22. Drail

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    Nope, wgp, you're not the only one. Way back in fall of 96 I started hearing about the 696 and started looking for one. Found one at the Indy 1500 gun show. I really thought I only wanted to examine one. Ended up buying it. I have never seen another one. This one has the slight bore restriction from the crush fit barrel but it is pretty accurate with most of my handloads. After an action job it has one of the smoothest DA pulls of any S&W I have. Is yours a 696 or a 696-1? I've had several people try to buy it but I plan on keeping it. I do love the .44 Spl.
     
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    Mine is a no-dash. I was going to sell it a year or so ago and then did some investigation and discovered it was worth a lot more than I thought it was, so I kept it.

    I have managed to hang onto several slightly unusual guns: a 6" .22 Diamondback, the 696, a Colt .45 CCO and a .38 Sp Single Action Army. I regret selling a 3" Lew Horton .41 Mag and a Model 29 with 8 3/8" barrel. Trying not to make those mistakes again.
     
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    Nothing wrong with a 696 other then the fact that you can't find them and collectors think they're worth more then gold.

    I looked at them when they came out. Came close to buying one opted instead for the 686+ with 7 rounds.
     
  25. Brass Rain

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    Yeah it's been mentioned that I don't want an aluminum/titanium/scandium/whatever frame. You're right, I don't. I want steel and hopefully a 3" barrel but five-shot cylinder so it's not so wide there. I've never fired a .44 Special or Magnum, but I can guess that they thump pretty hard. I wouldn't mind the weight, really, as long as I could keep it hidden and on target. The Bulldog is basically exactly what I want, just Charter Arms isn't one of those companies I feel like I could buy from and trust the gun 100%. Ruger, Smith, Glock, etc. are all proven to generally do as advertised. I'll continue to Google some of the other models brought up here. I really should consider buying used from places like Gunbroker as more of an option. Of course there's no reason to find myself a smokin' deal right now, consider I can't even buy a handgun just yet, and I'm pretty set on the Smith 442 to be my initial, standard carry gun.

    But it's neat to know there's more interest in short .44 Special than I thought. It seems like a great idea to me.
     
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