.45 ACP Rifle: Useful tool or just fun toy?
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ColeK
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.45 ACP Rifle IMHO is about as useful as titts on a boar hog!!! It may be a fun toy.
Smith357
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The Thompson was pretty useful for clearing out enemy troops.
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TurtlePhish
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It also had 20- and 30-round magazines and was full auto.
Kentucky-roughrider
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Depends on what you are using it for, The Winchester 1873 and 1892 were both build in pistol rounds, and are now reproductions are made in 45 Colt. the Spanish built the destroyer carbine in the same round as their duty pistol in the early 20th century. Will it kill a deer or pig under the right situation, yes. However getting into those situations would take a great deal of skill and luck.
Joshua M. Smith
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Hello,
I really enjoyed my Camp 45 for the time I had it. Problem is it was expensive and semi-collectible. I tend to be rough on my firearms and this one was cherry. I sold it to someone who would keep it as a safe queen.
I've regretted it since. The trajectory was like a rainbow, but for close-in shooting, you couldn't beat it when filled with a 10 round Wilson magazine!
One note: Please order a 21lb recoil spring and buffer for the Camp 45. They use the same setup for the Camp 45 as they do the Camp 9, and the Camp 45 has a history of beating itself to death because of it. It cracks the wrist and sometimes damages the receiver.
Wolff Gunsprings should be able to hook you up with what you need.
Regards,
Josh
I really enjoyed my Camp 45 for the time I had it. Problem is it was expensive and semi-collectible. I tend to be rough on my firearms and this one was cherry. I sold it to someone who would keep it as a safe queen.
I've regretted it since. The trajectory was like a rainbow, but for close-in shooting, you couldn't beat it when filled with a 10 round Wilson magazine!
One note: Please order a 21lb recoil spring and buffer for the Camp 45. They use the same setup for the Camp 45 as they do the Camp 9, and the Camp 45 has a history of beating itself to death because of it. It cracks the wrist and sometimes damages the receiver.
Wolff Gunsprings should be able to hook you up with what you need.
Regards,
Josh
I think these pistol caliber carbines/rifles are underrated. Sure, when compared to a true long gun system (barrel and cartridge) they have significantly less range. But it didn't sound like the OP was looking for a hunting cartridge. Besides, the effective-effective range of a gun is ultimately the shooter, and in that regard the pistol caliber carbine might be just fine.
But as an effective and intimidating home defense weapon, as a great learning tool on the range, I think they're just great.
Pricey as it is, when the Kriss 10 starts shipping with a 16" barrel in 9mm, I am so there. I am just trying to keep my list of ammo types to a minimum so trying to avoid adding a .45.
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But as an effective and intimidating home defense weapon, as a great learning tool on the range, I think they're just great.
Pricey as it is, when the Kriss 10 starts shipping with a 16" barrel in 9mm, I am so there. I am just trying to keep my list of ammo types to a minimum so trying to avoid adding a .45.
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Joshua M. Smith
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Hello,
Something I forgot to add: I look at them as long range, precision pistols.
Seen in that light, they never disappoint!
Josh
Something I forgot to add: I look at them as long range, precision pistols.
Seen in that light, they never disappoint!
Josh
MachIVshooter
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I have one, will probably never sell it. But I also wouldn't pay $700 for it today; I gave $300 back in 2002.
1911austin
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SBR and add a can.
CraigC
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Never been real enamoured with the Marlin but would love to see a good .45ACP carbine hit the market. Something that used stick mags with anything from 10-30rd capacity and good ergonomics.
Saakee
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The SBR'ed Kriss Super V is on my list of weapons I want to get. I think it would make a great HD gun.
kanook
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Found these guys the other day http://www.justrightcarbines.com/Home_Page.html
If the made it in 10mm I'd be looking. Already got a 45acp carbine
If the made it in 10mm I'd be looking. Already got a 45acp carbine
451 Detonics
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".45 ACP Rifle IMHO is about as useful as titts on a boar hog!!!"
Any absolute statement is bound to be wrong...
I don't think the PCC is a complete replacement for a MBR however it does play a important role for many folks.
1. Size, many are smaller carbines and handier in enclosed spaces than a MBR. Also they tend to make for handy car guns as well.
2. Low muzzle flash, this makes them much more user friendly indoors or from an enclosed space. This is also very important to entry teams in places like meth labs where the air can be quite flammable. Also less blinding to the operator in low light situations.
3. Low muzzle blast, easier on ears in enclosed spaces.
4. Less penetration then some MBRs, safer in the home with less worry about a round overpenetrating walls and such.
5. Many can use the same magazines as your primary handgun.
6. Same ammo as your primary handgun.
7. Will easily shoot minute of felon or better out to 200+ yards. This is more than enough for urban setting or for SD/HD.
8. Low recoil makes it user friendly for any family member big enough to shoulder it. Very user friendly for small statured folks.
9. Very easy to suppress, in a caliber like 45 ACP almost all factory ammo will be sub-sonic thus a suppressed PCC wil not require special ammo for maximum effectiveness.
I am sure there are other upsides to the PCC and yes there are down sides as well but the pros outweigh the cons by a wide margin. I own PCCs in 3 calibers, 4 if you include 22RF. One of my favorites is the Mech Tech. Mine has a dedicated lower that I bought on Gun Broker rather cheaply. It pairs very nicely with my Glock in the same caliber and uses the same magazines. A Mech Tech built on a Glock 21 lower paired with a Glock 21 would handle just about any HD/SD situation.
Any absolute statement is bound to be wrong...
I don't think the PCC is a complete replacement for a MBR however it does play a important role for many folks.
1. Size, many are smaller carbines and handier in enclosed spaces than a MBR. Also they tend to make for handy car guns as well.
2. Low muzzle flash, this makes them much more user friendly indoors or from an enclosed space. This is also very important to entry teams in places like meth labs where the air can be quite flammable. Also less blinding to the operator in low light situations.
3. Low muzzle blast, easier on ears in enclosed spaces.
4. Less penetration then some MBRs, safer in the home with less worry about a round overpenetrating walls and such.
5. Many can use the same magazines as your primary handgun.
6. Same ammo as your primary handgun.
7. Will easily shoot minute of felon or better out to 200+ yards. This is more than enough for urban setting or for SD/HD.
8. Low recoil makes it user friendly for any family member big enough to shoulder it. Very user friendly for small statured folks.
9. Very easy to suppress, in a caliber like 45 ACP almost all factory ammo will be sub-sonic thus a suppressed PCC wil not require special ammo for maximum effectiveness.
I am sure there are other upsides to the PCC and yes there are down sides as well but the pros outweigh the cons by a wide margin. I own PCCs in 3 calibers, 4 if you include 22RF. One of my favorites is the Mech Tech. Mine has a dedicated lower that I bought on Gun Broker rather cheaply. It pairs very nicely with my Glock in the same caliber and uses the same magazines. A Mech Tech built on a Glock 21 lower paired with a Glock 21 would handle just about any HD/SD situation.
JFrame
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Wow -- I think you gave me enough justifications out of that bunch to get a Beretta CX4 to go along with my PX4...
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451 Detonics
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I most detractors just have not used one very much in combat practice or competitions. Once you have run a few courses with them you understand their usefulness. Those who have used them when they have seen the elephant already understand how useful they are in many situations. They are not a replacement for the MBR but they do supplement them very nicely.
CraigC
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Some people just don't get it and seem to have this need to pigeon-hole rifles and handguns. A rifle in a handgun chambering just throws their mental processes for a loop.
RPRNY
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451,
May I take it that you are either an aficionado or have to do with the company?
I had posed the question above whether the OP's Marlin would be able to run 45 Super, thus giving it a fairly substantial velocity boost and making for a very solid 100 - 150 yd deer gun. I am not sufficiently familiar with 45 Super to know at what pressure boost that additional 300 - 500 fps comes at. Would you know 45 Super chamber pressure?
May I take it that you are either an aficionado or have to do with the company?
I had posed the question above whether the OP's Marlin would be able to run 45 Super, thus giving it a fairly substantial velocity boost and making for a very solid 100 - 150 yd deer gun. I am not sufficiently familiar with 45 Super to know at what pressure boost that additional 300 - 500 fps comes at. Would you know 45 Super chamber pressure?
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.45 ACP Rifle IMHO is about as useful as titts on a boar hog!!!
Some people just don't get it and seem to have this need to pigeon-hole rifles and handguns. A rifle in a handgun chambering just throws their mental processes for a loop.
mental processes
What mental processes ?
.45 ACP Rifle IMHO is about as useful as titts on a boar hog!!!
Some people just don't get it and seem to have this need to pigeon-hole rifles and handguns. A rifle in a handgun chambering just throws their mental processes for a loop.
mental processes
What mental processes ?
browningguy
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A useful tool for self defense, my favorite flavor in .45 carbines is HK:
451 Detonics
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Without reworking the recoil system 45 Super would be scary in the Camp Carbine. I shoot the 45 Super in my 625 and it has substantially more recoil than a hot 45ACP.
RPRNY
I just like things that work the way they are supposed to...I am a retired LE firearms instructor. I know how well a PCC can do, I won the Original Jungle Lane several times using FA PCCs. That competition included targets placed at 200 yards...not a problem for any of the competitors. I feel for most people who live in an urban setting a PCC or M1 Carbine is ideal.
This combo in 7.62X25 is a blast and I wouldn't feel under armed at all with them...
RPRNY
I just like things that work the way they are supposed to...I am a retired LE firearms instructor. I know how well a PCC can do, I won the Original Jungle Lane several times using FA PCCs. That competition included targets placed at 200 yards...not a problem for any of the competitors. I feel for most people who live in an urban setting a PCC or M1 Carbine is ideal.
This combo in 7.62X25 is a blast and I wouldn't feel under armed at all with them...
Excellent summary. I couldn't agree more. I particularly like #7. As an engineer, the MOF is a new branch of mathematics (for me at least). I'm sure it has many useful applications.
Separately, and I'm usually loathe to support the construct of, 'well if person x likes it it can't be all bad', the fact that the MP5 has been a bit of a hit since the 1960's through today (albeit in auto mode - granted) may imply some level of value and utility.
B
Separately, and I'm usually loathe to support the construct of, 'well if person x likes it it can't be all bad', the fact that the MP5 has been a bit of a hit since the 1960's through today (albeit in auto mode - granted) may imply some level of value and utility.
B
".45 ACP Rifle IMHO is about as useful as titts on a boar hog!!!"
Any absolute statement is bound to be wrong...
I don't think the PCC is a complete replacement for a MBR however it does play a important role for many folks.
1. Size, many are smaller carbines and handier in enclosed spaces than a MBR. Also they tend to make for handy car guns as well.
2. Low muzzle flash, this makes them much more user friendly indoors or from an enclosed space. This is also very important to entry teams in places like meth labs where the air can be quite flammable. Also less blinding to the operator in low light situations.
3. Low muzzle blast, easier on ears in enclosed spaces.
4. Less penetration then some MBRs, safer in the home with less worry about a round overpenetrating walls and such.
5. Many can use the same magazines as your primary handgun.
6. Same ammo as your primary handgun.
7. Will easily shoot minute of felon or better out to 200+ yards. This is more than enough for urban setting or for SD/HD.
8. Low recoil makes it user friendly for any family member big enough to shoulder it. Very user friendly for small statured folks.
9. Very easy to suppress, in a caliber like 45 ACP almost all factory ammo will be sub-sonic thus a suppressed PCC wil not require special ammo for maximum effectiveness.
I am sure there are other upsides to the PCC and yes there are down sides as well but the pros outweigh the cons by a wide margin. I own PCCs in 3 calibers, 4 if you include 22RF. One of my favorites is the Mech Tech. Mine has a dedicated lower that I bought on Gun Broker rather cheaply. It pairs very nicely with my Glock in the same caliber and uses the same magazines. A Mech Tech built on a Glock 21 lower paired with a Glock 21 would handle just about any HD/SD situation.
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