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i don't shoot just for the hell of it, i have no particular desire to kill animals, i don't hunt cause i wouldn't eat the meat- skunks stink... i wouldn't have shot a noble creature for no reason

however, I needed to know how effective my round was- there was an opportunity staring me in the face and i learned a very valuable lesson-

(MY AMMO SUCKED!)

why do you have a gun shibby?
 
Some of the stories you gentlemen are telling are disgusting and on the border of animal abuse. "I saw a critter there so I started to club him to death", or the thing crawled out of the pond and I blasted him. Some of you guys are sick.
 
City boy, Pimp?

So am I.

Wild animals live short, often brutal lives and typically meet an ignoble end. It's not as if these guys brought misery to those animals' otherwise idyllic existences. I'm not advocating wanton slaughter of wild beasts nor torturing defenseless creatures, but neither are the posters above. Sometimes it's animal control. Maybe some of the people above have just recently discovered a gun gives them power over life and death. Best they explore the repercussions with animals, no? ;)
 
My dad taught me that if skunks are out in daytime, chances are they are rabid and - therefore - need to be "dispatched with extreme prejudice." He shot one on a Sunday morning tht was wandering through our pasture. We had chickens (or was it turkeys?) at the time. Skunks + eggs = trouble. So, he busted out the Winchester 250 .22 and dumped his stinky butt from about 50 yards (respecting the skunk's self-defense mechanism). Two shots...deader than last week's meatloaf.

Problem was we lived a couple hundred yards south of the church and it was a warm summer morning. By the time we got to church, EVERYONE knew Dad had capped a skunk.

Most other pest critters can be trapped and removed. How in the wide, wide world of sports are you s'posed to trap and cleanly remove it to the wilds?

One other skunk story...mother-in-law was taking a taxidermy class for her masters in science in biology. Needed animals to stuff. Dad-in-law saw a road=kill skunk. Called MIL who says, "Yeah, I'll work on it." :confused: DIL bags the skunk and takes it home and puts it in [wait for it.....]

the FREEZER!!! The stink sak burst and ruined an full-size upright freezer full of food and the freezer. The doofus tried to make a roast out of that freezer a couple days later...:barf::barf::barf:

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Well, Pimpstar, I don't disagree with you, but in my own defense re clubbing the animal to death, I was 10 years old, not farm raised, nor raised to hunt at that time. I learned a lot about the tenacity of life and a lot about how I felt about taking it. As I said, I won't kill something without reason.
Subsequent more adult life experiences have confirmed the lessons I initially learned by mindlessly thinking I could dispatch the animal with one blow.

Still, unless you're a vegan, you are complicit in plenty of less than stellar animal treatment just by by being the end user even if you don't dirty your own hands.
 
For the record I am a 1911 and .45 nut!

I shot a skunk today, hit it at about 30 yards with 230gr FMJ- The round struck the rump and was followed by a straight stream of yellow stink that stretched what seemed like 15 feet (all take note of range) He didn't die! He started hobbling away... I walked up within 10 or 15 yards and shot him again, a hit, he still didn't die... He just laid there, writhing in pain. I got up close and shot him in the head to put him out of his misery...

3 230 grain shots- I guess stopping power comes in the way of a HP
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Seems to me all this does is prove the point of "shot placement". You can punch all the holes, of various sizes, you want into skeletal muscle. But to really put a critter, or by extension a BG, down, you need to hit one of the major organs - heart, lungs, brain being the best. Be it a .45, a .357, a 9mm or whatever, if all you hit is skeletal muscle you cannot expect to instantly incapacitate a critter.

So next time, instead of shooting it in the buttocks, try aiming center mass and put your first round through the chest cavity. Many of us have a big enough gluteus maximus to handily absorb a few half inch holes without any undo stress :D (and most skunks I've seen appear pretty well padded in the rear quarters too).
 
+1

Try killing a possum some time.
Short of blowing them apart, it ain't gonna happen till they leak to death.

rc
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I put 5 arrows in a possum and the sucker was still hissing at me.

I also shot a skunk with a 300 grain sabot from a 50cal muzzle loader and had to follow up with a 2nd to finish the job.:eek:
 
People might even tend to let physical pain constrain their behavior, even in a fight-or-flight scenario, to a much greater extent than animals. After all, we're not wild animals, so it's reasonable to think that most of us don't have the same intensity of "flight" response as does a wild animal.
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I beg to differ... We are much, much worse... A wild animal kills to survive while we kill to "protect ideals or morals" we often kill a wild animal because we feel it is an inferior species. A wild animal lives in it's environment normally barely modifying anything. We destroy entire forests to put up strip malls. We have technologies designed to kill and maim on large scale just to stop anything that MIGHT harm us.

A wild animal will generally run from what it fears while a human will kill what it fears or doesn't understand. We are wild monkeys with a god complex... you can't "Domesticate" yourself when your idea of domestication is a life you live. Just because we made up the word doesn't mean we fit the mold.

I am not trying to be a jerk or start a flame war... I only speak the truth. We are in many ways WORSE than the animals we feel are pests... technically those "wild animals" have every right to kill us because we do far more damage than any pest ever does. It seems funny that for the most part animals only run from us... If a skunk is out during the day and acting funny or trying to attack anything I don't mind shooting it... but if it's out in the morning minding its own business like I generally see them I ignore them and avoid them. I also fail to see the point in killing a beaver just trap it and move it... that generally does the trick. I have seen plenty of beavers in my life and none have tried to kill me yet.
 
-People that only speak the truth - I'd rather deal with a skunk.

If you loathe yourself and your fellow man, why do you brag about it? - and what is your expected response? Praise and agreement?

Every animal modifies their environment to fit themselves or they become extinct.

Those are the only options.
 
"I am not trying to be a jerk or start a flame war... I only speak the truth."

I suppose you have the original tablets the truth was carved on. I'd like to seen them if you don't mind and if it wouldn't be a lot of trouble. Thanks.

John

P.S. - Shouldn't "THE TRUTH" be capitalized and in quotes? I mean it is the one truth, right, and not just someone's opinion?
 
It's the civilized thing to do...

I love the way these noble, heroic, good samaritan guys deliver the finishing blows and shots to put the poor critter "out of its misery." It wouldn't have been in any misery if you hadn't bashed its head or shot its arse in the first place. Pointlessly (as in just for the fun of it) maiming and killing a defenseless animal says a lot about the idiot who enjoys it and deserves to be punished. 3 years ago I verbally confronted a moron who kicked a small pup halfway across the road at a big street party one night and it turned ugly. The guy got a nasty beating, we both wound up at the police station, and I ended up paying him a $100 settlement and agreed to replace his cell phone that got smashed in the dust-up. Best money I ever spent. I still see the guy around occasionally, but I have never seen him kick another dog.
 
The point of the statement "we are not animals" was not to say that we are any more ethical or civilized than animals (nor to make any ethical comparison at all), but rather to say that our instincts probably aren't as sharp as those of wild animals, since we haven't lived in wilderness-level danger for a long time, and thus have enjoyed some evolutionary slack that critters haven't.

Come to think of it, not only are our instincts less strong than those of animals, but animals also don't have any of the conditioning-by-observation that we get constantly from various media.
 
I definitely can't stand people who shoot animals just for fun. When I was much younger my family adopted a stray cat that had something poking out of its back and would constantly twitch. When we finally took it to the vet andhad it removed we learned it was a pellet from some punk neighbor kid. The cat still never recovered and would crap all over the walls uncontrollably.:fire: Finally gave it to my aunt where it lived in her barn before being attacked and killed by a coyote. Sometimes pest control is necessary and there's no other humane way to kill a skunk and you aren't gonna catch and release it with a hav-a-hart trap without getting yourself sprayed. I always heard the only way to dispose of a skunk in a hav-a-hart trap is to lower the trap into water and drown the skunk. I believe a head shot is much more humane given the choices.
 
I shoot any venomous snake or coyote I see. And anything that shows signs of rabies.

And it's fun.

FUN FUN FUN FUN.

I'm gearing up to hopefully splatter some groundhogs too.


And who in their right mind would carry around a skunk in a "hav-a-heart" trap ???

Les
 
Sherman123, did you ever consider the reason someone got rid of the cat and shot it (although poorly) was because it wouldn't stop crapping on the walls?............
 
And who in their right mind would carry around a skunk in a "hav-a-heart" trap ???
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I was gonna say members of PETA but that "right mind" part rules them out. :)

As my father grew older, he felt less inclined to shoot most living things. He was a very good groundhog hunter when younger and one afternoon he shot 78 times with a Winchester Model 52 and killed 76 sparrows.

The last creature that I know he shot was a large snake that was climbing the rough bricks of his house, heading for the vent to the attic. When we saw it, the snake dropped onto a pile of firewood and coiled as if to strike. A single shot from Pop's Colt Woodsman went through the middle of it's head and that was that. Pop was in his mid-80's then.

One Summer evening my father and brother were sitting in the shade of a maple tree in the back yard when they saw a large groundhog coming straight toward them. It was acting funny and moving in a strange manner. My father handed my brother a .30 Luger and told him to kill it. The first bullet was a FMJ and it passed through the groundhog without any visible effect. The second bullet was a 90 grain Hornady SX softnose HP that I had loaded for him and it nearly turned the groundhog inside out. It didn't move another inch.

I've done my share of hunting and killed my share of game and varmints. I'd still shoot a coyote or venomous snake (we have Copperheads and Rattlesnakes here) if given the opportunity but as I age, I'm getting more like my father and pretty much leave the animals and birds alone. Starlings are an exception. I'd shoot them and be happy to do it. I just don't go out of my way looking for living creatures to kill.

Having said that, I do not sit in judgment of anyone who likes to hunt game or varmints. Most of my friends do and I wish them luck.
 
you guys who are bashing over the "intentional" rump shot really dont know what you are talking about-

think of the circumstances-
1 small moving target
2 non target millspec 1911 at 30 yards

i did not TRY to hit it in the ass- its a good shot that i hit it at all!

next time you have a skunk problem you go ahead and set a humane trap and cart him off- more power to ya
 
I don't think that it's fun to shoot any animal. I don't ridicule others that do enjoy shooting animals unless they do it poorly.

If you need to kill, do it as cleanly as possible.

That's why we practice.

Not killing animals doesn't make a person better.
It just puts that person a bit lower on the food chain.
 
I never said trap a skunk... I said trap a beaver... As in a beaver isn't going to give you enough reason to kill it. I have never heard of maiming at the hands of a beaver... I could see it now...

"Man beat to death by rabid beaver tail" all over CNN at which point it would have evolved into a beaver going on a rampage and killing children and kittens with its huge talons.

There is a time and place to kill an animal... if you are going to eat it then kill what you want to eat. If you want it gone trap it, if it is too close for comfort a rock will generally do the trick... snakes around your house? Shoot them... Snakes nowhere near your house not even bothering you... just keep walking. Just because something COULD kill you doesn't mean it poses a threat. I mean I have seen bear cross the road near my house yet I am not going all rambo trying to kill it just because it is there. There is no point in shooting an animal that isn't doing you any harm by living... I see no point in people shooting animals for "fun" or just to throw over a hill somewhere... it's disturbing to say the least.

I grew up in WV hunting, fishing, and shooting... I learned to respect animals and nature though. I am not saying anything at all to people with a legit reason to kill something but to just shoot a small animal to see it die is sick and disturbing.
 
I can see killing snakes if you have small children and animals to protect.

I guess.

I go hiking all the time and I've never had a problem with snakes. I look where I'm walking. If I see a snake I walk around it. No killing required. And I save my ammo for more threatening two legged predators.
 
I definitely can't stand people who shoot animals just for fun. When I was much younger my family adopted a stray cat that had something poking out of its back and would constantly twitch. When we finally took it to the vet andhad it removed we learned it was a pellet from some punk neighbor kid.
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Yep, my family had a cat shot the same way by a neighbor's kid. We couldn't prove it, but I am sure it was him. It was terrible.

With that being said, I'd shoot into a murder of crows just to see the feathers fly. I do it not because they are so distructive to crops. I do it because it's fun, and I appologize to no one for it.

And while living in the country, I'd shoot a skunk if I saw it anywhere near my home. That is one of the last creatures I want making its den under my home.

Y'all lighten Up.
 
A few years ago my partner put 5 rounds from his 45 into the head of an injured horse. After every shot he stood there amazied that the horse was not dead. Even once looking at the gun like it was the problem. It resulted in daily trama from the guys giving him **** over it.
It never would take John Wayne 5 shots to kill one horse!
 
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