.45 Auto One Shot One Kill
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MT GUNNY
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Vital Zones of a Small animal are Very Small. No matter what Caliber, short of a Magnum Rifle, will take Multiple Shots to Dispatch said Critter. Coyotes are much easier to Kill, than say a Badger, at any given Distance. Because the Vitals are an easier target. I always Plan on Multiple shots on small Critters!
Squirrels and Gofers are a exception to the Rule, They are so Small any caliber will total one.
Squirrels and Gofers are a exception to the Rule, They are so Small any caliber will total one.
FullEffect1911
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I'm surprised I didn't see anything mentioned about reptiles. I removed a snapping turtle from our pond many years ago (didn't want it killing all of our fish), and no one told me they will keep moving long after being "dead". In my ignorance I put more .22 rounds through the shell then I would like to admit.
Recently a chipmunk my dog mauled needed to be put out of its misery, one single head shot more then did it in.
Rats making homes to close to our house need to be killed (arguable maybe), and I enjoy doing it, it is a challenge and serves a useful purpose. A .22 LR is plenty to get the job done.
I think it's important to note that shot placement is king, but bring enough gun as well (with appropriate bullet construction).
With all that said, I swerve to avoid frogs in our driveway. I will not kill something unless it serves a practical, useful and reasonable purpose. Our natural resources are way to important to just consume them for the hell of it. I live in the country and have for all 26 years of my life. I've never really hunted, but I really want to. It would be FUN, I really love venison and we have a severe over population of doe in the area.
PS I shoot at silhouette cardboard targets a lot for CCW training as well
Recently a chipmunk my dog mauled needed to be put out of its misery, one single head shot more then did it in.
Rats making homes to close to our house need to be killed (arguable maybe), and I enjoy doing it, it is a challenge and serves a useful purpose. A .22 LR is plenty to get the job done.
I think it's important to note that shot placement is king, but bring enough gun as well (with appropriate bullet construction).
With all that said, I swerve to avoid frogs in our driveway. I will not kill something unless it serves a practical, useful and reasonable purpose. Our natural resources are way to important to just consume them for the hell of it. I live in the country and have for all 26 years of my life. I've never really hunted, but I really want to. It would be FUN, I really love venison and we have a severe over population of doe in the area.
PS I shoot at silhouette cardboard targets a lot for CCW training as well
76shuvlinoff
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I was told in the ear while aiming toward the opposite eye. Yep kinda repulsive and I'm not so sure I could do that to one of my pets unless it was really hurting.... but an road injured deer is another story. Been there.
Beagle-zebub
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Haha, been there, since that's how I feel, too. I was once stopped at an intersection, which was appropriately empty for midnight. A little spring toad hopped out in front of the path of my car, right in the light of the headlamp, so I got out real quick and tossed it into the the nearby grass.
Animals are a lot stronger than they look. Part of that strength is because they don't reflect on themselves, they simply sense and react. They don't look down and think "Oh no I'm shot, I'm bleeding, I'm going to die, Oh God!" They feel pain, hear a loud noise and do their best to get away from it.
I once had a rabbit take 18 .22lrs before going down. I also had one run 25 yards after taking a 9mm fmj through the vitals. Pretty impressive.
I once had a rabbit take 18 .22lrs before going down. I also had one run 25 yards after taking a 9mm fmj through the vitals. Pretty impressive.
mljdeckard
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I'll just let it sit as proof that handguns are insufficient for self-defense. Sidearms are backup.
FullEffect1911
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I think that is a very wise decision indeed. I wonder what the stopping power a big truck is doing 65 mph?
Enough would be my guess.
RevolvingGarbage
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Once shot a big rabbit chewing up my grandparents garden.
One 8.5gr .177 lead hollow point pellet to the back of the head at about 30 feet from a $30 Crosman 760 Pumpmaster and he dropped dead where he was. That little pellet was only doing about 500 FPS but I guess it hit just the right spot.
I shot a raccoon up a tree with the same gun right between the eyes from 10 feet and he just kept staring at me and ambled off, then spread my garbage around my yard later that night.
I hate raccoons.
One 8.5gr .177 lead hollow point pellet to the back of the head at about 30 feet from a $30 Crosman 760 Pumpmaster and he dropped dead where he was. That little pellet was only doing about 500 FPS but I guess it hit just the right spot.
I shot a raccoon up a tree with the same gun right between the eyes from 10 feet and he just kept staring at me and ambled off, then spread my garbage around my yard later that night.
I hate raccoons.
HoosierQ
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Man just shoot game and what you have to and leave the other critters alone. That is probably the best rule. Sort of the American Indian view (many tribes at least). You gotta hunt, you gotta deal with pests...but I am going to say that there is a distinction between hunting for sport and killing for sport. And of course there is hunting to put food on the table and killing the keep the livestock safe.
Killing frogs and birds and turtles and other harmless critters for fun is just not right...unless they get tossed in a stew pot or a frying pan and then knock yourselves out. I mean I honed my marksmanship shooting sparrows with a .22 when I was a boy but I always kind of felt bad. On the other hand, I never felt bad shooting a raccoon tearing up the garden, a feral cat killing chickens, or a rat chewing a hole in feed bags.
Just saying...
Killing frogs and birds and turtles and other harmless critters for fun is just not right...unless they get tossed in a stew pot or a frying pan and then knock yourselves out. I mean I honed my marksmanship shooting sparrows with a .22 when I was a boy but I always kind of felt bad. On the other hand, I never felt bad shooting a raccoon tearing up the garden, a feral cat killing chickens, or a rat chewing a hole in feed bags.
Just saying...
30mag
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I recall a certain rabbit that had to be executed with a 870 full choke wingmaster with a 28" barrel because a shorter barreled 12 gauge, an sks, and a 10-22 with a 30 round clip hadn't done the work. I suppose my friends are not good shots.
Uncle Mike
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You.... are a v e r y sick man! lmao hehehe
I beg to differ... anybody that would shoot a skunk in the rump, must be a man! and then walk up to it and shoot it again.... pure gladiator!
shiftyer1
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I shot a skunk about 2 weeks ago with a cci minimag hollowpoint from around 30 yards. He didn't die instantly but it only took a couple seconds. It was a head shot. I wouldn't expect a butt shot to be very instant if it was a side shoot although I have seen single shot kills with a rear end shoot from a different angle.
gimlet1/21
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Response to some ridiculous liberal posts
The word "liberal" should be a cuss word."Only liberals really think. Only liberals are intellectual.Only liberals understand the needs of people." A skunk is a RODENT, a particularly nasty one, that if seen out and about in the day light requires a response other than running like a little girl to call the building superintendent, so you and your wife can get down off of the furniture. Hot lead is my recommended response. If you are sitting in your Chicago/New York/Miami/Los Angeles/Seattle condo sipping an antioxidant sissy drink and a RAT runs across the room headed for the kitchen or kids room will you let that wonderful creature of God have his way? Or will you act like what you are, the ultimate predator on this planet, and kill it with extreme prejudice.
Psyshooter, there is a long list of critters that are in mortal danger if found on my property they include: Snake, Possum,Skunk,Coon,Rat,Stray Dog and Cat,Fox,Coyote, Criminal, etc... The members of the short list, who are in danger of having my boot inserted sideways, if found on my property include: Liberals with vocal opinions on things they know nothing about.
I keep a 12 ga. mossberg handy where ever I am on the property along with the 9mm that is with me on the property and off.
The word "liberal" should be a cuss word."Only liberals really think. Only liberals are intellectual.Only liberals understand the needs of people." A skunk is a RODENT, a particularly nasty one, that if seen out and about in the day light requires a response other than running like a little girl to call the building superintendent, so you and your wife can get down off of the furniture. Hot lead is my recommended response. If you are sitting in your Chicago/New York/Miami/Los Angeles/Seattle condo sipping an antioxidant sissy drink and a RAT runs across the room headed for the kitchen or kids room will you let that wonderful creature of God have his way? Or will you act like what you are, the ultimate predator on this planet, and kill it with extreme prejudice.
Psyshooter, there is a long list of critters that are in mortal danger if found on my property they include: Snake, Possum,Skunk,Coon,Rat,Stray Dog and Cat,Fox,Coyote, Criminal, etc... The members of the short list, who are in danger of having my boot inserted sideways, if found on my property include: Liberals with vocal opinions on things they know nothing about.
I keep a 12 ga. mossberg handy where ever I am on the property along with the 9mm that is with me on the property and off.
model of 1905
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I actually do not find it surprising in the least, the shallowness of some of the members on this board, after all it is a crossection of our society. That same soceity in which I have less and less faith in as each day passes.
Shooting skunks, two or four legged is not what is an issue here. It is what are you willing to do.
To try to get back on topic here...
Yes, handguns are woefully inferior to rifles.
By the same token, if you think .45 ACP lacks stopping power, you provide the backstop and I'll provide the stopping power. BTW, I can make the same argument for 9x19.
I'm guessing that some of you replying to this thread could be stopped by a simple slap in the face.
Shooting skunks, two or four legged is not what is an issue here. It is what are you willing to do.
To try to get back on topic here...
Yes, handguns are woefully inferior to rifles.
By the same token, if you think .45 ACP lacks stopping power, you provide the backstop and I'll provide the stopping power. BTW, I can make the same argument for 9x19.
I'm guessing that some of you replying to this thread could be stopped by a simple slap in the face.
FROGO207
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I must admit this has been really entertaining!!! Weighing in, shot placement and larger hole always seem to be clear winners in my experience. Live and let live is good, but do what is needed for you to survive and prevent suffering if possible along the way tops the list.
Peter M. Eick
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Back as a kid, we used to hunt sewer rats with our rifles. When I was old enough to get a 30/30 over a 22lr I took it. One rat took all seven shots to put it down. The 150 grn softnosed bullets would just go clean through them.
Always impressed me how little a 30 caliber hole would do to a small animal.
Always impressed me how little a 30 caliber hole would do to a small animal.
Tropical Buzz
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Sorry - double tap, for some reason.
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Tropical Buzz
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When the slap doesn't work, what ya gonna do - scratch me? Bite?
Here is a PM from "model of 1905". Perfect for illustrating the point that all these internet tough guys are a bunch of closet pansies easily threatened by something as harmless as a dissenting opinion or challenging thought. So he gathers up his courage over a couple of days and sends a tough PM challenging someone he cannot see to an internet fight. Pathetic. "Warrior on warrior" - give me a break.
That right there shows why everytime someone or something makes this type of person feel like less than a man, the need arises to reassert a shattered self image by throwing a tantrum, kicking a dog, beating a woman or shooting a critter. (That wasn't you who shot Dobe's cat back there was it?)
Also, it was the idea that shooting harmless animals for kicks somehow makes you better prepared for "go timerolleyes" than someone who chooses not to is what I find pathetic, but if you find the cap fits when you look in the mirror, then be my guest. After your tearful rant, I may just be inclined to agree.
BTW - don't bother PM'ing me with any more nonsense you don't have the guts to post on the forum. They will be ignored. This one was handy for making a point about your type of personality disorder that has been discussed in the thread. Thanks.
Anyway. Back to the real topic.
Peter, that really amazes me. I routinely get one or two shot stops on decent sized rats using a .22cal air rifle at ranges around 15 yards. Granted, it's a pretty powerful break action gun and I never shoot them in the rump, but it sure ain't no 30/30
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Harking back to the skunk and the .45; the mythological impact of the .45ACP that supposedly made Japanese soldiers do backflips really comes into sharp contrast. Even if the skunk didn't die, and seeing that it weighs somewhat less than a Japanese infantryman, shouldn't it have at least spun around a few times?
Here is a PM from "model of 1905". Perfect for illustrating the point that all these internet tough guys are a bunch of closet pansies easily threatened by something as harmless as a dissenting opinion or challenging thought. So he gathers up his courage over a couple of days and sends a tough PM challenging someone he cannot see to an internet fight. Pathetic. "Warrior on warrior" - give me a break
. That right there shows why everytime someone or something makes this type of person feel like less than a man, the need arises to reassert a shattered self image by throwing a tantrum, kicking a dog, beating a woman or shooting a critter. (That wasn't you who shot Dobe's cat back there was it?)
Also, it was the idea that shooting harmless animals for kicks somehow makes you better prepared for "go time
rolleyes" than someone who chooses not to is what I find pathetic, but if you find the cap fits when you look in the mirror, then be my guest. After your tearful rant, I may just be inclined to agree.BTW - don't bother PM'ing me with any more nonsense you don't have the guts to post on the forum. They will be ignored. This one was handy for making a point about your type of personality disorder that has been discussed in the thread. Thanks.
Anyway. Back to the real topic.
Peter, that really amazes me. I routinely get one or two shot stops on decent sized rats using a .22cal air rifle at ranges around 15 yards. Granted, it's a pretty powerful break action gun and I never shoot them in the rump, but it sure ain't no 30/30
!!Harking back to the skunk and the .45; the mythological impact of the .45ACP that supposedly made Japanese soldiers do backflips really comes into sharp contrast. Even if the skunk didn't die, and seeing that it weighs somewhat less than a Japanese infantryman, shouldn't it have at least spun around a few times?
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theotherwaldo
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Pure shot placement. My younger sister (one of the best natural shots that I've ever seen, BTW) regularly takes rats with a low-powered BB pistol. When she has me feed 'em to the cats, the still kicking dead-'uns are bleeding from the nose/ears/mouth.
No penetration, but the skull is fractured and the brain is scrambled. DRT.
Never had to deal with a wounded rat - except in traps - but I have needed to kill ones that got tangled up or stuck in stuff. Again, I kill as cleanly as possible - and I hope that you do, too.
No penetration, but the skull is fractured and the brain is scrambled. DRT.
Never had to deal with a wounded rat - except in traps - but I have needed to kill ones that got tangled up or stuck in stuff. Again, I kill as cleanly as possible - and I hope that you do, too.
MCgunner
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I'll remember that next time I'm around a politician.
Anyone who hunts has stories to tell. I don't, however, use .45 hardball for hunting anything. It's not as effective as you read in your Jeff Cooper fan club magazines.
Tropical Buzz
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Lol! Good one.
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