.45 Auto One Shot One Kill

[Tropical Buzz]

Yep, my family had a cat shot the same way by a neighbor's kid. We couldn't prove it, but I am sure it was him. It was terrible.

I'm sure he did it because it was fun, and he "appologizes" to no one for it. Lighten up, y'all...

With that being said, I'd shoot into a murder of crows just to see the feathers fly. I do it not because they are so distructive to crops. I do it because it's fun, and I appologize to no one for it.

You go girl. Does it make you feel like a man?

A few years ago my partner put 5 rounds from his 45 into the head of an injured horse. After every shot he stood there amazied that the horse was not dead. Even once looking at the gun like it was the problem. It resulted in daily trama from the guys giving him **** over it.
It never would take John Wayne 5 shots to kill one horse!

Wow. I wonder if they were glancing shots that didn't penetrate the skull??
A buddy of mine got a call recently from his ex whose horse had fallen over the side of an abandoned quarry and apparently injured its spine. He dispatched it cleanly with one shot to the center of its head from a Bersa .380.
EDIT: In the interest of the thread topic, I called him to confirm - it was loaded with Winchester FMJ.

 

[Dobe]

I'm sure he did it because it was fun, and he "appologizes" to no one for it. Lighten up, y'all...

Some of us know how to set limits. Some don't.

You go girl. Does it make you feel like a man?

Do you know how to post without being insulting?

 

[Tropical Buzz]

So you set your limits at crows and he sets his at cats. What makes your limits any better than his? Empathy for those smaller and weaker than us is a greater sign of real power and strength than blowing them to kingdom come just because we can.

I never set out to be hurtful or insulting, but if you are man enough to enjoy blowing away the animals and declare that you apologize to no one for it, a few choice words should surely do you no harm??

 

[Dobe]

So you set your limits at crows and he sets his at cats. What makes your limits any better than his?

One reason is standards which are set by a majority. In this culture, hunting crows is not only legal, it is seen as benifical to farmers. If you have never seen what crows can do to a field of watermellons, then you wouldn't understand.

The other is a matter of a domesticated pet. But you are attempting logic by means of extremities. "If you have sped 75 ins 65, why wouldn't you knowingly speed through a school zone?" Your argument is straw at best.

I never set out to be hurtful or insulting, but if you are man enough to enjoy blowing away the animals and declare that you apologize to no one for it, a few choice words should surely do you no harm??

There is a proper protocol you should follow in any discussion, be it here or in person. If you wish to make a point, strive for that point without ad hominem remarks.

 

[Dobe]

As for the reason I hunt, I enjoy it. I enjoy the kill also. That doesn't make me or any other hunter dangerous to you. We hunters do more for the preservation of animals, both game and otherwise, than those who simply protest the inhumanity of it.

 

[Tropical Buzz]

With that being said, I'd shoot into a murder of crows just to see the feathers fly. I do it not because they are so distructive to crops. I do it because it's fun, and I appologize to no one for it.

Stop crying like you've been so greviously wounded. Look back at what you posted. If you had said you shot crows because they were pecking your melons uhoh, no one would take issue. Talk about straw, lol!

I enjoy hunting too - moose and deer when I lived in Canada; feral hogs down here and spearfishing which I REALLY like. But it's never about killing for the fun of it. When I go out on the reefs, I am always surrounded by hundreds of fish, but if nothing I want to bring home and cook gets within range, I will never shoot an angelfish or a moray eel just so I don't go home without killing anything. And I will still have had an enjoyable "hunt".

Ditto for the hogs. On the isolated areas of the Atlantic coast here, wild pigs wreak havok with the small farmers' crops and they welcome small groups of hunters to thin them out. They don't want them all dead because they sometimes catch and domesticate piglets for their own use. So we gear up and go hunting for mid to full grown males every once in a while.

There is no real enforcement of any laws here governing the activity, but we have a list of rules that we adhere to. No handgun hunting, no piglets and no nursing sows. And definitely no random killing of anything we will not be taking back out to share and eat when we leave.

The handgun rule came about after one fellow annoyed a big boar with a 9mm and ended up needing a lot of stitches. The boar was riddled with bullets but got away and suffered for a long time before we found it dead 2 weeks later. We use 12 gauge slugs or buckshot and the occasional old .303 and other rifles. The boars are pretty tough and sometimes aggressive so you have to place your shots well for a quick put down.

I just thought that its kinda interesting that we don't trust our handguns against the hogs, but we rely on them to protect us against armed human predators. Go figure.

 

[Dobe]

Stop crying like you've been so greviously wounded. Look back at what you posted. If you had said you shot crows because they were pecking your melons (), no one would take issue.

The reference to crop damage was made, because you had trouble understanding the difference between killing a crow and a house pet.

But it's never about killing for the fun of it. When I go out on the reefs, I am always surrounded by hundreds of fish, but if nothing I want to bring home and cook gets within range, I will never shoot an angelfish or a moray eel just so I don't go home without killing anything. And I will still have had an enjoyable "hunt".

At least you could be honest with yourself. If all you wanted to do is see fish and reefs, you wouldn't carry a gun.
There is nothing wrong with it, but don't play symantics. If you are hunting for the "sport", you wouldn't need to make the shot.

Take a camera next time, but don't try to convience anyone of your motives.

Now there is an air of hypocracy.

And I will still have had an enjoyable "hunt".

How many times would you make that "enjoyable hunt", if you killed nothing? Every hunter enjoys being out in the woods, but we all expect the finish at some time.

 

[Tropical Buzz]

I really don't get your point, Dobe, but I'm sure there's one in there somewhere. I'll disengage now, and try to get back on topic.

My take from all this - Hand guns are marginal against even small animals. One reason may well be the difference in physiology as some have discussed. But could the real truth be that a bullet travelling at handgun velocities is just not powerful and lethal enough to be considered an effective "stopper" without a direct CNS hit?
None of the commonly used calibers have enough mass to knock a man down, nor do any of them make a big enough hole to stop someone immediately from blood loss. The things that really count are the two p's - placement and penetration. You need to hit vital organs or critical parts of the CNS to quickly stop an attack. The difference between a .356" and a .452" hole in the elasticity of human tissue is only significant in hypothetical caliber wars. Yes/no?

 

[.38 Special]

The handgun rule came about after one fellow annoyed a big boar with a 9mm and ended up needing a lot of stitches.

The same thought process will have you banning rifles after someone uses a .22, and shotguns after someone uses birdshot.

Hand guns are marginal against even small animals.

Fightin' words! The 9mm may be marginal; I don't know because I've never used one. The .45 Auto with hardball is like any handgun with hardball: not so hot. But load the cartridge hot and use a good flat point and you've got a gun that will take down whitetail as well as most rifles. Put that bullet in a .45 Colt and fire it out of a Ruger single action at 1200 FPS and the hogs will fall right over. And at 1500 FPS out of a custom 5 shot or a Freedom Arms, and you can even take on game in the 1000+ pound range. When we start talking .475 and .500 Magnums, even the Big Five are in trouble.

But that's hunting, not stopping, and I agree with the rest of your post entirely. How many of us have shot whitetail with a magnum rifle cartridge just to have it run off and die 100, 200, or 300 yards later? Yet we expect instant incapacitation from one or two hundred grains at a third of the speed we're getting from the rifle bullet? From a non-expanding round nose, to boot?

Humans...

 

[model of 1905]

Hard to believe all the folks bashing someone for shooting varmints. It's good training in my eyes. You people that are worried about others killing skunks or possums for no apparent reason are the ones that will hesitate at "go time".
You are the same ones shooting at bullseye targets instead of silhouettes or pictures of teenagers holding a gun on you for PC. You will be the same ones that will then say how ready you will be in a self defense or home invasion to fill the BG full of lead.

:banghead:

 

[kyle1974]

maybe some of you guys would be better suited to the PETA forum instead of here....

as for the skunk... obviously he has not been on this forum and understood the details of the awesome 45 that can hit a man anywhere and knock them down

 

[Girodin]

You can tell who is from the city and who is from the country.

Interesting story on the horse. I know a .357 mag can put on horse down cleanly in one shot.

Whatever emotional pain the OPs story might cause this is not a thread about the virtue of shooting animals. The point that should be taken away is that shot placement counts. One through the guts or extremities wont kill anything quickly. I saw a jack rabbit get shot in the leg with a 22-250 and he was very alive (only time I have seen that round not be a 1 shot kill on such game) an inch or two higher and it would have blown the hings guts 8 feet from his body. Shot placement counts. It counts more than caliber.

Also, ball ammo is vastly inferior to a good hollow point.

I do believe that on average those that hunt have a much better idea of the effects of guns than those that have never shot anything.

 

[Girodin]

You people that are worried about others killing skunks or possums for no apparent reason are the ones that will hesitate at "go time".

Maybe maybe not, who knows

You are the same ones shooting at bullseye targets instead of silhouettes or pictures of teenagers holding a gun on you for PC. You will be the same ones that will then say how ready you will be in a self defense or home invasion to fill the BG full of lead.

Again they maybe the same but they certainly are not neccesarily the same groups at all.

I know a former SEAL current swat who doesn't like hunting or the killing of animals. He pretty much proves your contention is false. There is nothing to support either of your silly assertions.

My family had a farm and killing animals wild and domestic was part of life so you know where I am comming from

 

[.38 Special]

You are the same ones shooting at bullseye targets instead of silhouettes or pictures of teenagers holding a gun on you for PC.

Well, I'm a Bullseye shooter. So my choice of targets is kind of obvious...

Question: does shooting at one kind of picture better prepare you for "go time" (snicker) than shooting at another kind of picture?

 

[Tropical Buzz]

Hard to believe all the folks bashing someone for shooting varmints. It's good training in my eyes. You people that are worried about others killing skunks or possums for no apparent reason are the ones that will hesitate at "go time".
You are the same ones shooting at bullseye targets instead of silhouettes or pictures of teenagers holding a gun on you for PC. You will be the same ones that will then say how ready you will be in a self defense or home invasion to fill the BG full of lead.

LMAO!! And I say to you that a person who gauges his level of courage and effectiveness by shooting lil' varmints is way more likely to freeze and crap his drawers at "go time". If you think shooting a possum stuck in a tree in any way compares to facing and dealing with a human attacker, you are one misguided individual. You foolishly mistake compassion for weakness and you obviously fantasize that killing defenseless animals with a gun makes you some kind of awesome warrior. Pathetic. By your reasoning, I suppose, beating up a kid is good training for hand to hand combat and kicking a puppy means you are ready to grapple with a trained 160lb bull mastiff.

But hey - if that varmint was actually 185 lbs and was coming at you with a machete, then please disregard all of the above.

.38 Special - The "no handgun rule" is just for our own little group. None of us own big bore hunting pistols, just our normal CCW's and we basically make our own set of rules to govern ourselves.

 

[wrs840]

This has gotten pretty silly.

Les

 

[Dobe]

Time to just let it go.

 

[Capt Marvel]

In all likely hood, if you see a skunk during daylight hours, it is rabid.
Your problem is over penitration. I have hit skunks with 4 to 5 rounds from 22 LR solid points with out an out right kill until I made a head shot.

 

[MichiganShootist]

Only

I Say Again Only


SHOT PLACEMENT COUNTS

A .22 short between the eyes or in the brain stem would have stopped him in 1 second!!

 

[Tropical Buzz]

Amen, brother.

 

[The_Seventh_Sign]

Ok obviously no one paid heed to Mythbusters

Hum if a skunk sprays you or your area you may be able to get the stink to go away.
Tomato juice does not work
Arm and hammor baking soda works some
Bleach works some
and I believe vinegar would work some too
So here is what i would do if sprayed first disinfect with bleach
then hit it with vinegar then arm and hammer baking soda.
same goes for the area affected.

Give it a test next time you have an afflicted area.
skunks are mostly dim lit and nocturnal animals
They are often diseased as well as Blind raccoons.
I do not blame him for shooting the critter expecially if no one wants to come deal with the skunk.

TSS

 

[Georgia Gunner]

Never had an encounter with a skunk but I have with possums and armadillos and both of those jokers are tough!

Once when I was about twelve I was walkin down our dirt road with my pellet rifle on my way to my dad's shops to exterminate some rats and I came across an armadillo on the side of the road. I thought it was dead at first because the thing had a big hole in its side where someone hade shot him, but when I got closer he stood up and started walking off. Figuring I would put him out of his misery I put the barrel of my rifle point blank to the side of his head where he didn't have any armor and shot. Well that just really pissed him off and he actually started coming at me. I shot at him again and I know hit him two more times in the head but he was still movin, so not knowin what to do I grabed my rifle by the barrel and swung it at him like a bat and hit him in the head. The first time I hit him it stunned him but he started movin again so I hit him harder the second time. The second hit put him on his back but it also broke the stock off my pellet rifle! On top of that the dang thing was still tryin to get back on his feet so I grabbed a big rock from the the side of the road and bashed his head in finally killing him. I had planned on just puttin the poor thing out of its misery , but I ended up beaten the hell out of hit and breaking my rifle! After seeing an armadillo go through that I'm suprised that getting hit by a car actually kills them.

 

[76shuvlinoff]

I live in the country, at 49 I have owned horses dogs and cats all my life. I have not hunted since I was 17 but I routinely shoot woodchucks, opossums, even skunks and a coon or two to protect livestock, pets and property. These harmless little fury critters carry diseases or dig craters and can wreck your whole week.

As long as we're admitting things I also indiscriminately blast paper plates and cans at will.

Watched a guy put a .45lc right between the eyes of his very sick horse and the damn thing trotted off, it made him (the shooter) physically ill. Poor technique.

 

[Dobe]

God bless you my son.

As long as we're admitting things I also indiscriminately blast paper plates and cans at will.

I'll have to add this to my list of crows. And it's still fun.

 

[SharpsDressedMan]

Shooting a large animal, or mammal, in the eye bypasses the thick skull. A little repulsive, but gets the job done.