UncleEd
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Sounds like you might be in the market
for one of my modified revolvers
capable of being fired full auto.
.45 Auto Rim?
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Sounds like you might be in the market
for one of my modified revolvers
capable of being fired full auto.
mcb
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My 625 in is competition rig setup for USPSA. I also have a woods rig comprised of a Safariland 567 holster and a double speed loader pouch for a K/L frame that holds two moonclips quit nicely.
My collection of moonclips tools and moonclips. Spent several season of USPSA competition mooning and de-mooning 40S&W from my S&W 610 moonclips with the channel lock pliers and a 7/16 nut driver turned into a de-mooon tool with a Dremel ($0 invested). I have since upgraded. For my rimless revolvers I de-moon with the golf club handles ($2 from a junk shop) and put rounds on with the moonclip tool (black & red tool ~$45) from RevolverSupply.com. For my primary competition gun I splurge and bought the BMT mooner (left of channel lock pliers $90) for my S&W 627. With decent tools you can load moonclips at basically the same pace as you can load a pistol magazines.
But unlike magazines you can afford to have enough moonclips to have preloaded enough moonclips for even a long range session or big match. I have less money invested in all the moonclips (400+ clips) and tools above than I do in the 6 magazine I have for my double stack 1911. Plano tackle boxes are an awesome way to transport and protect your moonclips after you have loaded and checked them.
Have I beaten this dead horse enough yet?
mcb
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For the 25/625 and 45 ACP that is not particular picky about moonclips I would go right to the original source, Ranch Products (https://www.ranchproducts.com/). Their moonclips for the 625 are really good for the price. You can order them in 100 pc lots. It's been a few years since I bought more but the last time I looked at a price list they were still less than $1 per clip at that quantity.
Revolver supply would my next choice. TK Custom make some spectacular EDM cut moonclips and for some revolvers (38/357) they are the best choice but for a 625 spending that much on moonclips has rapidly diminishing returns for a 625.
nofendertom
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The cost of moon clips, reloading and de-mooning tool vs the cost of 45AR brass, dies and shell holder (and having to change from 45ACP) on my 550 make it
worth it to me. Having my 1911 and Mod 25 shoot the same loads is a plus.
worth it to me. Having my 1911 and Mod 25 shoot the same loads is a plus.
CraigC
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Six of one, half a dozen of the other. It's still time you're spending to do what is for most an unnecessary chore. Unless you're training for competition.
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Does anyone make a speedloader that works with 45 Autorim?
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UncleEd
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Yup, Post #43.
Archie
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Oh, yes! I have a Mark 1 Webley (bird's beak grip) that was 'shaved' (altered for use of half moon clips) but I use it with Auto Rimmed brass. (I use a .45 Colt lead bullet of 255 grains and load to duplicate the mild load.)
Then I have a Model 25 shorted to four inches and find it a really great sidearm. H-K speedloaders makes a loader for it.
DC Plumber
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Ya. I'm not a gamer either. But if you're looking for speed loaders just for plinking, you are a moon clip candidate. Don't knock it till you've tried it. My model of 1989 us my go to home protection etc...... 3 or 4 moonclips with 230g HST rounds sitting on my night stand ready to go. My wife and kids can fire it and reload it easily. I love my Les Baer but this 4" 45acp revolver is SWEET. For practice 200g lswc either 5.5g of 231 and you can shoot all day. Load and unload moonclips in my recliner with a martini and it doesn't get much better than that.
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.45AR is a ever so slightly different cartridge than being just a .45ACP with a rim. It’s fun to load and easy to work with.
I figure they both have a place. I like 45 AR for my revolvers since one is a S&W 1917 that can take full power loads but isn’t getting younger,has seen its share of GI 45 auto, and isn’t really in my top 5 options for self defense anymore. The other is a Webley mk VI that needs light loads. The auto rim makes it easy to keep Webley-safe loads separate.
If I ever came across a newer 625, I might consider getting more moon clips.
If I ever came across a newer 625, I might consider getting more moon clips.
Smaug
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I have a S&W 625 and am a handloader. I dabbled in shooting plates and bowling pins with it years back, and decided to try moon clips rather than buy Auto Rim brass. I'm glad I did, as they make reloads much faster and there's free 45 ACP brass everywhere.
I found a simple plan online and built an unloader tool with a PVC "T", piece of copper pipe and epoxied it together. It works great. Just load up a bunch of them prior to the range outing and there's no messing around. Unload them at home with the homemade tool. I never had one get bent, but I could see how it could happen in a run 'n gun scenario where they might get stepped on. (never happened to me, though) In that odd case, just throw it in the recycle bin; they're cheap as chips!
I can only assume that people who trash-talk moon clips have never tried them.
I found a simple plan online and built an unloader tool with a PVC "T", piece of copper pipe and epoxied it together. It works great. Just load up a bunch of them prior to the range outing and there's no messing around. Unload them at home with the homemade tool. I never had one get bent, but I could see how it could happen in a run 'n gun scenario where they might get stepped on. (never happened to me, though) In that odd case, just throw it in the recycle bin; they're cheap as chips!
I can only assume that people who trash-talk moon clips have never tried them.
mcb
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I have bent a modest, usually kicked when doing a moving reload or when they accidentally get stepped on during a stage reset. The zip lock bag in my picture above of my moonclip tools is all my bent moonclips. They do make a tool to straighten them and I am collecting bent moonclips until I have enough to justify buying or making the straightening tool. As long as the metal is not kinked, just warped/gentle-bend you can usually save them.
I had one moonclip that got stomped into the mud at a match. I knew I had lost it since I had an empty slot in my Plano case. It was found two months later when someone was pulling stakes out of a dry mud puddle and found it lodge in a big lump of dry dirt and returned it to me. It had a touch of rust on it but a little oil and back into my rotation it went. I reloaded the brass too.
CraigC
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I would assume exactly the opposite. As I said, not everybody is interested in speed reloads or fooling with loading/unloading moon clips. I'll take a rim every time.
UncleEd
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What we have here is a failure to understand
people with the Jerry Miculek Syndrome.
They are those who suffer from a need to
fire off as much ammunition as possible
in the shortest time regardless of sane
reasons or goals.
people with the Jerry Miculek Syndrome.
They are those who suffer from a need to
fire off as much ammunition as possible
in the shortest time regardless of sane
reasons or goals.
mcb
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It is an insidious affliction with no known cure...What we have here is a failure to understand
people with the Jerry Miculek Syndrome.
They are those who suffer from a need to
fire off as much ammunition as possible
in the shortest time regardless of sane
reasons or goals.
nofendertom
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Loading a pistol fast, as with a moon-clip, does not mean you have to shoot it fast.
You gotta admit, that AR brass is a near perfect fit in the S&W.
.455 Webley Mark I, if I am not mistaken, this is revolver for black powder ammo only. Later versions like Mark IV, V and VI are for ammo with smokeless powders. Whoever decided to shave cylinder on Webley Mark I to shoot 45 ACP ball ammo made a bad decision.
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GeoDudeFlorida
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I think maybe they also fail to understand that the real only purpose for a handgun is to fight your way to a rifle.What we have here is a failure to understand
people with the Jerry Miculek Syndrome.
They are those who suffer from a need to
fire off as much ammunition as possible
in the shortest time regardless of sane
reasons or goals.
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