5.56mm NATO against deer

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Well, under gunned, you're going to get lost game. Over gunned, you'll get the game, maybe some meat damage you'll have to cut away. A .300 mag is more forgiving of the less than perfect shot, too. Ever seen what's left of the lungs of a deer shot with a 7 mag in the ribs? I haven't either, they were gone, vanished. :D You're not going to get that sort of damage with a .22, not and have adequate penetration, not even on a TEXAS whitetail.

My point about that over gunned statement, though is that you prepare for the most demanding hunting you'll be doing. You can hunt whitetail with a .338 mag, no problem, there's no law against it and a .338 will kill deer. But, most places have laws against hunting elk with a .22 and it'd be stupid to do anyway. Even with just deer, you want a gun that will work in the most demanding situation you will ever see, maybe long shots across the plains of South Dakota or maybe cross canyon shots on 300 lb mulies. Even if there's no law against using the .22, it'd be foolish to use it there. Sure, 90 percent of your hunting may be stand hunting in heavy cover over a feeder 40 yards away. If all you have is a .22, you won't be ready for that other 10 percent, spot and stalking mulies in the desert mountains for instance.

You know, when I bought my Savage, I really like the 280 Remington and I thought about it. But, I got a 7 mag instead. Same rifle, same caliber, same price. I figured if I didn't like the 7, I could load it down to mimic .280 ballistics. If I felt the .280 need more grunt, I couldn't load it UP to match the 7. Why buy the lesser caliber? That just didn't make sense. I wasn't thinkin' about whitetail when I bought that gun, though, but about New Mexico elk.
 
The search for the magic caliber with the magic bullet continues. Nothing made to date will turn a gut shot into a bang flop 100 percent of the time. Whoa-a 40mm Bofors just might do it.
 
I much prefer a 30-30 to a 30-06. Had both and where I hunted the 30-30 was much better suited.
 
Hi Mossberg...

Thanks Mossberg. Not to worry though. I'm usually under siege on this forum. Few of the fellows coming here really understand how many "casual" riflemen are out there. They think their own skills are "average" and don't realize that they are far beyond the true "average".

During Ohio's deer gun season (centerfire rifles not allowed) I use a .44mg. Super Blackhawk. During the Summer when I shoot deer on crop damage permits (and anything is legal) I use a Contender with a 10-inch .22 Hornet barrel, or once in a great while a .243 Rem. 700 VLS. The pistols are what I use, but never what I ever recommend to others.

Fact is, I like the .270 a lot simply because the 130-grainers are dynamite on deer but I owned 25/06s that did everything I could get done with a .270.
My admiration for the .270 comes from seeing the deer kills of two friends who used the .270 in Rem. 700s. 31 deer with 31 shots was easily enough to impress me.

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A friend of my father's once told me he knew a man who shot a deer with a Walther PPK from a car in a state park......
 
YES!

The .223/5.56 is the best round ever designed for big game hunting. I would recommend it on deer under any and all circumstances.

The .223 has killed more deer on the internet than the .45/70 has killed cape buffalo also on the internet.

Of course none match the ferocity and power of the 4,380gr 12 ga slug. :)
 
Shooting Texas Hill Country white tails with a .223 is no big trick. They don't get large in the hill country. Shooting one of those Vermont white tails (I hear they get to 300lbs) might be a different ball of wax.

All in All I would give it an endorsement, as I have used it more than a few times in the past. I usually stress a neck shot when using a "lighter" gun. Either you hit it and they are dead or you don't. Be prepared for follow up shots.

I would encourage you to move to a .257 Roberts though, as it is capable of more (black bear, elk) but still can be had in a light weight rifle... I am a 30-30 die hard as well.
 
come on guys, abrink is ASKING FOR HELP! quit squabling with each other and HELP the man, will you! give you opinion, and move on. we could all sit here and argue forever. but it will not help abrink much, if at all. he needs to hear your opinion, all of our opinions, to help him decide for HIMSELF! no body can make him do anything he does not want to do, and squabling back and forth is just a huge waste of time.
 
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