5.7 Journey - Join Me

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Oh I had fun learning to load it, but the AR-57 was boring to shoot, and in the end not worth fooling with the 5.7 for. On another note, loading for my 6 Dasher is more trouble than the ordinary rifle round the way I do it, but it's well worth it IMHO. Shot a bunch of those Saturday, time to get loading again. :)
the seating depth on 5.7 is so shallow. might put some super glue in it. This round is for military full auto with a military budget. I know it’s 10 years old but, dam

It also sounds super boring on a AR

I’ll make it work, then make special rounds for it!
 
Oh I remembered why I put the federal American Eagle cases aside to load later on as subsonics. They have slightly smaller capacity.
Yeah so ideal for subsonics, since the acceptable 55gr loads are usually at the bottom of the starting load data and subsonic.
The slightly smaller case volume will require it's own load. The 5.7x28 is too unforgiving to just dump the powder charge you use for your FN cases and go.
 
Oh I remembered why I put the federal American Eagle cases aside to load later on as subsonics. They have slightly smaller capacity.
Yeah so ideal for subsonics, since the acceptable 55gr loads are usually at the bottom of the starting load data and subsonic.
The slightly smaller case volume will require it's own load. The 5.7x28 is too unforgiving to just dump the powder charge you use for your FN cases and go.
what’s the worst? over charge and get over pressure signs? primer pop... not scared! I’m going to dump them after 3 loads.... crush them so nobody ever sees them again
 
what’s the worst? over charge and get over pressure signs? primer pop... not scared! I’m going to dump them after 3 loads.... crush them so nobody ever sees them again
Well... no. This is a Five Seven after an out-of-battery event. There are pics out there showing an overcharge, which is similar, but I can't seem to find them right now. This isn't a forgiving round at all.
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Well... no. This is a Five Seven after an out-of-battery event. There are pics out there showing an overcharge, which is similar, but I can't seem to find them right now. This isn't a forgiving round at all.
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remind me to charge my batteries before shooting... I still think everyone is over hyped the dangers of this round
 
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Mark i think to some extent you are correct. Folks tried to push reloads to match the hotter military rounds and when doing that over pressure can occur very quick. I agree with trent too that setback is an issue that needs monitored as well.
 
Mark i think to some extent you are correct. Folks tried to push reloads to match the hotter military rounds and when doing that over pressure can occur very quick. I agree with trent too that setback is an issue that needs monitored as well.
I’m loading it light! very light, enough to kill a Cyote and Jack rabbit. I don’t need to 5A level body panels stuff. That’s what my 5.56 green tip is for
 
Seating depth is 0.15 and is right at the neck size. No need for a heavy crimp, the neck is tight like a ***** ****** ****** in Siberian Thailand . Make 3 rounds and it cycles but it’s not going into the extractor well (different issues for later) . I’ll try making them 0.05 longer and see how that goes.

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these are Dummy rounds without primer or powder

35 Grain V-Max
 
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is is me or does that Armscor pagage refer to bullets as bullet heads? there by implying they may refer to loaded cartridges as bullets?
 
is is me or does that Armscor pagage refer to bullets as bullet heads? there by implying they may refer to loaded cartridges as bullets?
I don’t know, they are out of the Phillopeens so it might be a translation issue... a bullet is a bullet.
 
Many places, like England, refer to the projectile as a “bullet head”. Yet they still have headspace, which is at the rear of the (assembled)cartridge? All art of the fun.:)
many parts of Back Woods North Carolina refer to ammo as bullets, Magazines as Clips, big mags as Extendo, AK’s as Choppers.... they also make BBQ sauce with vinegar and red pepper flakes

UK also call fryes Chips and trunks as Boots
 
Beware the shoulder. I found if I had neck tension too tight, when seating the bullet the heavy neck tension can round out the shoulder severely (setting the neck back as a whole, in the direction of the case).

That shoulder is so tiny, that it really doesn't take much to make it go from the specified slant angle \ to flat --. If this happens it will change the dimensions of the case in such a way you may not get reliable chambering or extraction.

When I reloaded 5.7, I used an ultrasonic cleaner with simple green. It's necessary, to avoid tumbling, and stripping the thin coating of teflon (or whatever analog they used) that is on the casing. That dry film lubricant coating on the case is critical to extraction, as it's blowback. Tumbling in any media will strip that dry film lubricant off the cases, and needs to be avoided at all costs. While the next load of ammo may function it will cause an enormous amount of stress on the case and lead to shoulder separation after only a couple of loadings.

The nice thing about simple green in an ultrasonic cleaner is it doesn't take long; just 10-15 minutes, and the cases come out looking great. Less noisy, less dust containing potential heavy metals floating in the air, too. Every serious shooter needs to be concerned with lead poisoning, especially ones involved with reloading. Several members of our outdoor range who shot handgun and rifle competitively, and reloaded extensively, had to (after some years/decades) go through treatments for lead poisoning related (primarily) to reloading. Such chelation treatments, from what they said, are somewhat unpleasant and time consuming. At the time I was tested I was borderline.

Between rotator cuff issues from magnum rifle shooting (300 win mag, 50 bmg, etc), a rather frightening retina issue that developed at the end of an f-class season that left me partly blind in my right eye for a period of time, cumulative hearing loss, and the brush with lead poisoning, I only shoot these days out of necessity, when something is in front of me that is worth shooting.

I'm still pretty good at it. I got a head shot on a moving mink at 15 yards with a handgun last year. That's a mighty small target, I was quite proud of myself. ;)

Goes without saying, a 40gr .224 vmax projectile will vaporize the head of a mink at any distance.

I have dispatched dozens of animals - maybe even in to the hundreds now, considering it's used for terminating livestock as well - with this round, many predators, and it has yet to fail me. It has killed countless skunks, racoons, minks, coyotes, turkeys, etc without there ever being a doubt as to what the end result will be.

The only time I retreated with a small caliber and went inside for something.. bigger, was the other night. I went outside with the FN FiveSeven after what sounded like WWIII of the animal kingdom started in my front lawn (I live in the country, on many acres - my front lawn and driveway are 422 yards long to the mailbox).

I step outside to this massive cacophony of squealing, shrieking, and snarling, and shine my light towards the disturbance. What I see stuns me - a rather large pack, of 10-12 coyotes, surrounding an enormous feral hog. The yote's are busy trying to get at the hogs rear legs, the hog is spinning and charging as the coyotes retreat and others advance.. was quite the sight.

Anyway the light spooks the coyotes, they *know* to fear me, and they bolt. The hog?

Well that hog turned straight at me, from maybe 20 yards away, and looked right at me, grunting and shrieking.

The weight of that little 5.7 handgun wasn't quite making me feel very confident. From a front charge the only real shot I have is against the head, and there's no way that 5.7 round will penetrate 1.25"+ of slanted hard bone. So my bowels jellified a little and I did what any sane man would do, I retreated directly through the door I had just come out of.

In my logical mind having a sturdy exterior wall between me and that pissed off hog was the most prudent course of action.

Because my kids were fixing to get up for school soon, I figured I had to get that hog gone, soon, before dawn hit and the kids went out. So I put away the pea shooter and grabbed a 7.62 rifle, and went back out.

The hog was gone, it was still nearby, I could hear it, but it had relocated itself to the woods to the east of our property.

No doubt chasing that pack of yotes that had the audacity to challenge it. :)

Anyway that's the one and only time I ever felt like I wasn't carrying enough bang with me. Granted, even a 9mm or 45 might not get through the thick skull of a hog at a shallow angle, so I am not confident any handgun short of maybe a 44 mag would be adequate for that really weird, rare scenario of shooting a feral hog in the face.
 
BTW w/ regards to utility - the reason I use 5.7 at the farm so extensively is not only it's effectiveness on 4 legged predators.

We also for several years now grow cannabis sativa, in addition to raising livestock, as a licensed grower under our state bureau of medicinal plants program.

Having 50 rounds in a PS90 gives me peace of mind against any 2 legged predators that may decide to do us harm.
 
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A ton of info on loading from one of our members on this site http://www.dayattherange.com/?page_id=3297

Because of this I decided not to load. I actually have a bunch of brass once shot and brand new dies that has never been used. The lacquer on the case is very important and after speaking with a former 3 letter agency guy that was very familiar with this cartridge and him saying FN never intended for this cartridge to be reloaded.

I would love to have some data on catastrophic failure for this round.
 
Beware the shoulder. I found if I had neck tension too tight, when seating the bullet the heavy neck tension can round out the shoulder severely (setting the neck back as a whole, in the direction of the case).

That shoulder is so tiny, that it really doesn't take much to make it go from the specified slant angle \ to flat --. If this happens it will change the dimensions of the case in such a way you may not get reliable chambering or extraction.

When I reloaded 5.7, I used an ultrasonic cleaner with simple green. It's necessary, to avoid tumbling, and stripping the thin coating of teflon (or whatever analog they used) that is on the casing. That dry film lubricant coating on the case is critical to extraction, as it's blowback. Tumbling in any media will strip that dry film lubricant off the cases, and needs to be avoided at all costs. While the next load of ammo may function it will cause an enormous amount of stress on the case and lead to shoulder separation after only a couple of loadings.

The nice thing about simple green in an ultrasonic cleaner is it doesn't take long; just 10-15 minutes, and the cases come out looking great. Less noisy, less dust containing potential heavy metals floating in the air, too. Every serious shooter needs to be concerned with lead poisoning, especially ones involved with reloading. Several members of our outdoor range who shot handgun and rifle competitively, and reloaded extensively, had to (after some years/decades) go through treatments for lead poisoning related (primarily) to reloading. Such chelation treatments, from what they said, are somewhat unpleasant and time consuming. At the time I was tested I was borderline.

Between rotator cuff issues from magnum rifle shooting (300 win mag, 50 bmg, etc), a rather frightening retina issue that developed at the end of an f-class season that left me partly blind in my right eye for a period of time, cumulative hearing loss, and the brush with lead poisoning, I only shoot these days out of necessity, when something is in front of me that is worth shooting.

I'm still pretty good at it. I got a head shot on a moving mink at 15 yards with a handgun last year. That's a mighty small target, I was quite proud of myself. ;)

Goes without saying, a 40gr .224 vmax projectile will vaporize the head of a mink at any distance.

I have dispatched dozens of animals - maybe even in to the hundreds now, considering it's used for terminating livestock as well - with this round, many predators, and it has yet to fail me. It has killed countless skunks, racoons, minks, coyotes, turkeys, etc without there ever being a doubt as to what the end result will be.

The only time I retreated with a small caliber and went inside for something.. bigger, was the other night. I went outside with the FN FiveSeven after what sounded like WWIII of the animal kingdom started in my front lawn (I live in the country, on many acres - my front lawn and driveway are 422 yards long to the mailbox).

I step outside to this massive cacophony of squealing, shrieking, and snarling, and shine my light towards the disturbance. What I see stuns me - a rather large pack, of 10-12 coyotes, surrounding an enormous feral hog. The yote's are busy trying to get at the hogs rear legs, the hog is spinning and charging as the coyotes retreat and others advance.. was quite the sight.

Anyway the light spooks the coyotes, they *know* to fear me, and they bolt. The hog?

Well that hog turned straight at me, from maybe 20 yards away, and looked right at me, grunting and shrieking.

The weight of that little 5.7 handgun wasn't quite making me feel very confident. From a front charge the only real shot I have is against the head, and there's no way that 5.7 round will penetrate 1.25"+ of slanted hard bone. So my bowels jellified a little and I did what any sane man would do, I retreated directly through the door I had just come out of.

In my logical mind having a sturdy exterior wall between me and that pissed off hog was the most prudent course of action.

Because my kids were fixing to get up for school soon, I figured I had to get that hog gone, soon, before dawn hit and the kids went out. So I put away the pea shooter and grabbed a 7.62 rifle, and went back out.

The hog was gone, it was still nearby, I could hear it, but it had relocated itself to the woods to the east of our property.

No doubt chasing that pack of yotes that had the audacity to challenge it. :)

Anyway that's the one and only time I ever felt like I wasn't carrying enough bang with me. Granted, even a 9mm or 45 might not get through the thick skull of a hog at a shallow angle, so I am not confident any handgun short of maybe a 44 mag would be adequate for that really weird, rare scenario of shooting a feral hog in the face.
Nice Story Man!!! I felt like I was right there, I can smell the P’ed off wild hog and the poop in your pants. Writing is definitely your thang!
 
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