mussi
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Probably rather a hand cannon. But stopping power is presumably good, and knock-down power more so. Maybe it's an anti-rhino pistol for the safari lover instead of the 'normal' gun afficionado?
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Probably rather a hand cannon. But stopping power is presumably good, and knock-down power more so. Maybe it's an anti-rhino pistol for the safari lover instead of the 'normal' gun afficionado?
Kamicosmos
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I might have to pick some of this ammo up. Might be light the Black Talons. Eventually it will be an overpriced collector's item, while much meaner bullet types have long since eclipsed it.
As far as the gun grabbers go: :banghead:
As far as the gun grabbers go: :banghead:
artherd
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I've got a few hundred rounds of the stuff. Don't even have a FiveseveN pistol yet 
Ivy Mike
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Not ironic at all.
Simple economics lad. There are more private owners than police forces in this great land of ours...more private owners with money to burn. The FiveseveN will also get the somewhat obscure FN name out to the general public in the USA. Some folks actually think Browning makes the Browning Hi-Power...
Some folks have already seen the light and have learned that FN is going to be the next CZ. Excellent quality firearms available at great prices. I paid less than $400 for my Forty-Nine last year. Hell, there are probably bullets for it that will go through a level 2 vest.
The thing I find funny is that given a hard enough thrust; a knife will penetrate a vest. I'll bet a good thrust from the attached bayonet on my Mosin-Nagant M44 will get through, to say nothing of the yellow tip heavy ball it fires.
artherd
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Get this, FN made the 10 round mags so that individual POLICE OFFICERS could buy the FiveseveN withought having to get their chief to approve it's use for duty purposes only... Yes, the law is that big of a pain even to cops.
SmershAgent
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Yeah, I think I'm definitely going to have to buy some ammo for this thing, even though I don't own the gun (yet).
beerslurpy
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Guys, you cant buy the AP ammo anyway, theyre just blowing smoke up your asses. The stuff that goes through vests is just regular hp rifle ammo like wolf hp of barnaul hp for the AK. It penetrates vests because its small, pointy and high velocity. If you had dies, you could probably reload the FN rounds with much worse stuff off the shelf.
SmershAgent
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That's true, but that doesn't mean hanging on to a few boxes of the stuff is a bad idea. There was nothing illegal about Black Talon ammo, but they stopped selling it due to the cool-sounding name and bad press. The writing on the wall indicates the 5.7 may meet a similar fate.
artherd
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Not entirely true, they removed the moly coating (and updated the design to improve expansion even more) and sell it as "Winchester Ranger SXT" ammunition, under their "Winchester Ranger" line marketed to LEOs, but legal for sale to anyone. I carry the 9mm +P+ Ranger SXT (Part# RA9TA) in my Glock 34.
beerslurpy
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Yeah, it got switched to the Ranger brand. I never saw so much hysteria over a stupid hollowpoint.
And if you want "cool ap ammo" just get a tokrarev pistol for 100 bucks.
And if you want "cool ap ammo" just get a tokrarev pistol for 100 bucks.
armoredman
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Yes, the vest shot by AR15.com, (dumb idea, guys), was a II, possibly a IIA. A IIIA is better, and the newer they get, the better they get.
Yeah, I'll bet if I put a good thrust on the bayonet of my 91/30, it would penetrate- would I ever A) test such a theory, and then B) be STUPID enough to brag about it on the Internet, with PICS, so that all my law abiding Mosin owning friends could start worrying about Brady holding up printouts of these "tests" in support of an AWB/bayonet ban renewal, with the next Demo Pres and Congress? Nope.
Yeah, I'll bet if I put a good thrust on the bayonet of my 91/30, it would penetrate- would I ever A) test such a theory, and then B) be STUPID enough to brag about it on the Internet, with PICS, so that all my law abiding Mosin owning friends could start worrying about Brady holding up printouts of these "tests" in support of an AWB/bayonet ban renewal, with the next Demo Pres and Congress? Nope.
SmershAgent
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The CZ52 was the first gun I owned (I still have it, of course).
I always wondered why the VPC and Brady Center go apesh^^ over the "armor-piercing, cop-killing" dangers posed by $1000 guns like the Series 500 and the FN five-seven. If they bothered to do any actual research, they'd probably be horrified to discover anyone with a C&R permit can have a CZ52 shipped to his doorstep for 100 bones. I don't know about the five-seven, but several ranges I've been to will allow .50 AE but not 7.62x25, as they know the latter will eventually destroy the backstops.
benewton
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Ah, could we just be quiet about the CZ-52?
I don't think that the idiots need any further information about that sporting arm!
I don't think that the idiots need any further information about that sporting arm!
It's not bullet size or shape that defeats a kevlar vest, it's velocity. People have done test with .22 mag rifles firing the high velocity stuff and been able to penetrate the vests. I believe the threshold for penetration is around 2000-2200 FPS. In other words, take any handgun, handload a custom, lightweight bullet so that you can get some good velocity, and it will defeat kevlar. Some companies are already doing this for police use. It's a fact, and this is also why kevlar is not officially an 'armor', seeing as it's not some form of hardened protection but an energy-absorbing fabric. If they want to ban the 5.7 though, lets see some tests of the .223, 7.62x39, and myriad of single-shot pistols out there that fire rifle rounds.
What is really ironic is that on one hand, we have a group of ballistics experts who say the 5.7x28 should not be adopted by law enforcement because it is not deadly enough. Then, on the other hand, we have a bunch of anti-gun ballistic amateurs saying this round is so deadly it should be banned.
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