"58 Rem. Euroarms/Uberti(Carbine)/Pietta Comparison.

[Old Dragoon]

Here is a few pictures of the comparison of the frames of the Pietta, uberti and Euroarms '58 Remingtons. Euroarms are based on an original Remington-Beals Old Army.

Frame comparison Euroarms '58 Rem.(on left) Uberti Carbine (on light)

Frame Comparison Euroarms (on left) Pietta (on right). Look how much smaller the frame and gripframe is on the Euroarms. The Pietta looks massive next to it.

Frame comparison Euroarms (on Left), Pietta (on right)'58 Rem.'s


Beartracker,
I just had a thought. Euroarms Navy's are built on the same frame as the armies, but being smaller than the Pietta's you might like the 36 Navy.

 

[ArmedBear]

Hmmm...

I might have an old Euroarms and not know it. I've been trying to find parts for the thing. It's accurate but has some internal issues, like soft steel in the trigger/sear. Really soft.

Anyway, if it's not marked, is there some way to know?

It was an old Dixie kit (early '80s) and just says "Made in Italy" with proof marks.

 

[Old Dragoon]

Look under the BBl with the rammer down and look for DGG. Take the grips off and look on the gripframe for the DGG. This is the initials of the original owners of the company.If it is in either place it is a an Armi San Paolo (that old) or Euroarms if a little later. They are one and same , Armi San Paolo became Euroarms when they moved from San Paolo Italy.

 

[Duncaninfrance]

Interesting but - which one is the nearest to the ORIGINAL 1858?
Just looking at the pics I would go for the Pietta as the one that looks the part.
Duncan

 

[Old Dragoon]

The Euroarms is almost an exact copy of the Remingtom-Beals. Dixie Gun Works advertizes the Pietta as a "Larger" Frame. Uberti is pretty close.

 

[ArmedBear]

Look under the BBl with the rammer down and look for DGG. Take the grips off and look on the gripframe for the DGG. This is the initials of the original owners of the company.If it is in either place it is a an Armi San Paolo (that old) or Euroarms if a little later. They are one and same , Armi San Paolo became Euroarms when they moved from San Paolo Italy.

Thanks! Now I know what to do when I go home tonight.

 

[Old Dragoon]

Euroarms Used a Remington-Beals Framed Old Model Army

I'm doing research on what model exactly Euroarms/Armi San Paolo used to make their NMA version. Turns out it is an early Remington-Beals framed Old Army, one of only 3,000 MFG. I went to Flayderman's Guide last night as Euro had told me they copied a Rem.-Beals to make their Model. that statement was right and wrong. Their copy doesn't look like a Beals. but it is exactly like the R-B Old Model Army. Mystery solved. Only 6,000 Remington Old Model Army's were produced and midway into the production the frame changed to the NMA type frame with exposed bbl threads and a slightly longer cyl. pin notch. The Remington Old Model Army (aka Model 1861) was only made in 1862 then the NMA came on the scene.
Picture below shows the difference in the frames at the Breech end of the bbl and the cyl. pin notches

 

[Father Knows Best]

So ... what's your verdict on the Euroarms/ASP Remingtons? Are they worth a premium over current production Ubertis?

 

[Old Dragoon]

I didn't know that they were sold at a premium above Ubertis.
I haven't had to pay a premium for one yet. Some have them new for around $190.00. Euroarms states $225.00 I have bought two online for a less than either. For me, with my small hands, I prefer them for handling. Yet to see how they shoot, but I think their quality is about as good as Uberti or Pietta.
There is some machining done that I don't think Uberti or Pietta does. The chambers are Chamfered at the mouth. The chambers are larger than the bore and that is aplus. Mine mic'd .450 where the ball seats, and .448-449 just below where the ball seats to the back of the chamber. no step so it must be a special cutter that is tapered?
Bore is .449 grooves and .439-.440 lands.
Yet to be seen is the affect of the frame covering the bbl threads has on fouling.

 

[Father Knows Best]

I don't know that they do sell for a premium. I as trying to gauge whether you would be willing to pay more for one. As I'm sure you know, Ubertis command a premium compared to Pietta, which indicates that at least some portion of the market thinks they are worth more. It sounds like you're saying that it is too early for you to judge the relative value.

Where did you buy yours?

 

[Old Dragoon]

One on Gunbroker and one on Auction arms, that one isn't here yet, but so far I love this Euroarms, and if it shoots like it handles, then yes I might pay a premium for one, and it'll use Uberti R & D and Uberti Kirst Conversion Cylinders, so that is a plus too.

I just did a draw and point, aim, no dry fire,test with both the Pietta and the Euroarms. In my book the Euroarms wins hands down. After drawing the Euroarms '58 then drawing the Pietta, it is like the difference of night and day.
The Pietta is a log compared to the Eurpoarms. So the Euroarmas is leading the "premium" fight right now over the Pietta. I don't have an Uberti to compare too but will compare as soon As I can find one to pick up.