6.5 Creedmoor kicks!

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I have a savage Model 10 fcp-SR 6.5 creedmoor which I love dearly I find the kick to be much less than my Tikka t3lite 308!
 
I shoot a Kimber CC in .308 and off the bench with this light rifle, it is (to me) a thumper. I feel better hearing that some perceive .308 as a kicker - I thought that I was just being an old sissy when my shoulder got a little bluish after a box of rounds. I would think that any caliber rifle recoil perceived as “kicking” is just that for that shooter - varies from person to person. In turn when in the heat of the moment shooting at a deer, I don’t feel a thing - I barely hear the rifle go off. Same guy shooting the same rifle with very different felt recoil results. Good shooting.
 
When I run the numbers for MY 6.5 Creedmoor rifle and MY loads I come up with 12 ft lbs of recoil. MY 308 loads in MY rifles come in 16-19 ft lbs of recoil. My 30-06, 18-21 ft lbs recoil and the 300 WSM I used to own, 25-28 ft lbs recoil. A typical 243 or 30-30 will be in the 10-11 ft lb range. I use this online calculator.

http://www.handloads.com/calc/recoil.asp

I've used only one load in one rifle in the Creedmoor and came up with 12 ft lbs recoil with that load. And this is should be a hotter load. I'm running one of the heavier 143 gr bullets at max velocity The rifle, with scope is 7 3/4 lbs. But I own multiple 308 rifles weighing from 6 lbs to 7.75 lbs and have developed several different loads over the years with bullets ranging from 130-180 gr. Recoil will vary depending on the weight of the individual rifle and the exact load.

This is ACTUAL calculated recoil. How YOU FEEL the recoil can vary. Stock shape and fit matters. A 30-30 at 11 ft lbs recoil hurts me more than a 308 at 17 ft lbs because of the stock design on lever action rifles. And then a lot is between the ears. If you think something kicks hard, then for you it will. Lots of guys get it in their heads that certain cartridges kick a lot harder than they do.
 
MCMXI said:
Man, I sure would like to play around with the efficient 300 WSM cut down to 20" and suppressed. I might have to put my 300 WSM barrel back on my Kimber 8400, after having it cut back of course. Time to fire up QuickLOAD.
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Exactly, a stumpy 300 WSM has been stuck in my mind for a a while. On one hand I don't really need that much power and I'm a recoil weenie. On the other hand, my last WSM was a real shooter and my can should knock down recoil some. I've also read that the .300 WSM does quite well in short barrels, a guy on YouTube chrono'd a few factory loads out of a 20" AR-10 WSM, and got 3,070 fps with 165gr bullets, and just over 3,000 with 180gr bullets. Pretty stout. If you're doing the calculations anyway, it would be interesting to see how quickload predicts a short WSM would do against a short .30-06.

What I'd really like is a short 7mm WSM or 7mm SAUM, but tentative component availability and a lack of factory rifles keeps me away from those two. .280AI seems like it would suffer more from being chopped, but I might be wrong.

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Yes sir! LOL

If only they made one in 7mm-08... Why, oh why do they not?
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They do, if that's the flavor of cartridge you prefer.

http://www.kimberamerica.com/montana
 
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It's definitely a subjective thing and also something you can train yourself to get used to. I also think a 30-30 lever action kicks every bit as much as a 308 bolt rifle. Likewise after shooting my 444 marlin a lot this year, which was my first heavy recoiling rifle, nothing else seems like it has any recoil anymore. A 270 feels like a 243 to me now. So if your worried about flinching with a 30-06, you just need to get a 375 ruger at the same time. Won't feel so bad anymore.
 
I think the problem is expectation management.
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I am not sure that is fair, if you read all of the cool, hip or whatever they call it these days...trending? Publications you would know for fact that not only does the 6.5 creedmore have recoil that an infant can live with, it also can hit targets thousands of yards away, if you can just see them through the scope.


This may help the op.

http://www.shooterscalculator.com/recoil-calculator.php
 
I don't have a 6.5 Creedmoor. I do have a couple of .260 Remingtons. One is a moderately heavy target rig with a 26-inch fluted heavy barrel and a brake. The other is a lightweight hunting rifle. Guess which one kicks more?
 
Glad I'm not the only one who thinks a lever action 30-30 (Win 94 in my case) feels about like a .308 bolt gun. LOL I've thought that for a long time. Especially when my 7.62x39 bolt action is pushing the same bullets (160 grain FTX) at very nearly the same speed. The felt recoil of my '94 is significantly more than the x39 doing essentially the same work.

I think Loonwulf is onto something though. I think there are thresholds that we notice. I put my Tikka .243 on par with my 7.62x39 bolt action. They both just tap you enough to know you're shooting a real gun. This 6.5 CM is on par with the .308's I've owned. And when I shoot full loads out of my 7 lb. '06, I get about 4 or 5 rounds in and wonder how many more I'm going to shoot that day. LOL
 
I am not sure that is fair,
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@jmorris , what I meant is that if you buy a 6.5 CM expecting "recoil that an infant can live with" you're going to be sorely disappointed. If however you go into the purchase expecting recoil closer to .308 Win than .243 Win you might be a happy camper. Basically I'm with you in that the felt recoil from 6.5 CMs and similar are greatly downplayed. This is coming from a magnum die hard that regularly shoots .375 H&H, .300 WM, 300 WSM, .338 LM etc.
 
If the bullet weight and powder charge are comparable, the recoil will be also.

Ever shoot a .308 with 200+ grain bullets - a lot more than the Creed?
 
I'm good up to .375 H&H then it's a "mind over matter" situation for the big ones.

Mounted a scope and did load workup for a .416 Rigby that went 10.5 pounds. THAT was about the limit of my recoil tolerance.

Recently helped my Gunsmith regulate a set of stout, fixed express sights on a .505 Gibbs DG rifle. Fire the rifle, check target, file the sight a bit, etc. He and I each did a few rds off the bench and that was IT. Too much for me.

Had a 7 pound .280 Rem , with 150 NP's at 2950. You knew You shot something but no worse than any of the overbore 7mm/.30 mags. Good stock design on that one.
 
The bulk of my .308 experience was with a 700 BDL in wood trim and a Ruger 77 lightweight. My M70 synthetic and 700 BDL in 30-06 are all far bigger kickers than the new T/C Compass I picked up in 6.5 Creedmoor.

Literally felt like half the recoil and my Remington is mounted in a thumb hole HS Precision with extended LOP to fit me. The -06 easily outweighs the 6.5 by a pound or more. I could shoot 6.5 in a t-shirt all day long and smile. Just my experience, couldn't get the girlfriend to try it, but I had no concern over her being gun shy after.

Maybe shooting .50 cal muzzleloaders with 150 gr of Triple 7 makes the difference? A dozen rounds of that can have you longing for a nice rimfire.
 
260 here so close but not exact. While I can shoot the 140s all day long they definitely let you know you're touching one off if you're going for upper end loads. I found 123 to be a sweet spot for accuracy and less recoil; same for 129s. The Speer 85 gr. HP is like a 223. If you haven't tried those 160 gr RN yet they're surprisingly accurate and throw some energy around.
 
Why are so many people "wimpy" when it comes to recoil. Be a MAN and shoot the gun!!!!

People need to practice with a 12Ga Shotgun slug, with 700Gr slugs
 
Whoever said managing expectations nailed it, I think.

For me, if I'm expecting big recoil, I pull the butt into my shoulder hard. When I'm instructing a new shooter, I tell them to pull the stock into their shoulder hard. Nothing will send a new shooter packin faster than sharp shoulder pain when the gun goes off. We will learn less pull / more accurate later.

I think you guys probably do the same, and maybe this is why "it kicks above it's weight". Just a guess.
 
There's no arguing ft lbs of recoil. Having said that, recoil is totally subjective to the individual. One of my hunting rifles I'd an older Ruger model 77 with the manlicher stock and the thin red recoil pad that' hard as a rock. My brother is 100lbs heavier than I am. He hates that rifle. Says it kicks like a mule. I don't feel the same at all. Don't get me wrong, you know you've shot a real rifle. But thats two different guys shooting the same rifle with the same load from the same bench. Subjective.
 
@jmorris , what I meant is that if you buy a 6.5 CM expecting "recoil that an infant can live with" you're going to be sorely disappointed.
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I understand, my post was facetious and created in jest. The 6.5 Creedmoor is the flavor of the month and has mythical status until the next new round to reinvent the wheel comes along.

The link in my post puts numbers to the physics, and they don’t lie or exaggerate.
 
I finally took my M10FS 6.5 Creedmoor to the range for a barrel break-in. It has only slightly less recoil than what I perceive in my M10T-RS .308 Win.

The two rifles are comparable weight, and over sandbags, both could supplant a cup of coffee for “wake-you-up”-ability. But the 6.5 CM is definitely a bit less recoil. Regardless, it sure is fun to shoot...either.

Geno
 
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