7.52x39 VS black bear

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Have been having a little problem with PA black bear lately.When I take my 2 small dogs out at nite for their finals before bedtime I have been running into bears on my property and the just won't scare off no matter how much noise I make.The last one seemed peeved at me and just started walking toward me.Had to run for the house,he came to within 30 feet of my backdoor and just sat there.I don't hunt anymore and my 3 rifles are a 223,22 mag and a 7.62x39 bolt actions all.If I had to use it against bear would the 7.62 be enough to put the bear down.I understand that the 7.62 is equal to the 30-30.I would NEVER shoot unless I had no choice but want to be prepared.I don't really want to purchase another rifle for such a limited use but will if necessary.Any thoughts on this?
 
out of the 3 you listed I agree the 7.62x39 is the best choice.
My dad used to say 30-06 or .308 were minimum bear calibers. I'm certain 30-30 has taken some bears.
With that said, I would add you can expect a well-placed 7.62x39 to dispatch a black bear at 100yds maximum
 
I most situations, a black bear is not an aggressive animal. I would consider contacting Game & Wildlife.

I know of several bears that have been taken w/ 30-30's (assuming the x39 is similar), shot placement makes all the difference. At 30 yds, taking a shot at a pissed off 400 lb bear with a 30-30 is not something I would want to experience. If you have a shotgun in 20 ga or larger, that would be my protection weapon of choice loaded with large buckshot.
Good luck.
 
Black bears aren't huge, most of the ones I've seen are less than 250 pounds. They are incredibly tough for their size though, so bullet placement is essential. A 7.62x39mm with softpoints would do the job as well as a .30-30 Winchester at moderate to close range. I think the main problem would be getting a good sight picture on a black bear, at night, while it's moving, to be certain where you're shooting.
 
The 7.62x39 should do a bear in. I'd look for ammo firing a heavy SP type bullet. I also agree about calling the game commission as they make it their business to relocate problem bears whenever possible.
 
If I didn't have bear mace, I'd want a semi-auto with, at least, 10 rounds. Aside from that, my guess is that a black bear would run after a simple warning shot.
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Use 150 grain quality SP rounds, NOT fmj.

And make sure you're squared away on local law re shooting bears DLP and discharging firearms.
 
Best bear deterrent

Buy a bunch of hunting gear; ammo, sents, maps, brochures, licenses, tags, miss a couple family events while looking for them..... and they will dissappear :D


The X39 SP will do just fine to kill them, lo-base shotguns from 50-60 yards sometimes scare em away without killing them. Under 50 yards, I lose my nerve; its time to make a bear rug.

Somebody nearby is feeding them (with trash) for sure....root of the prob.

Lucky bear, I think I might shoot just about anything following me home in the dark.
 
I've found the best way to keep any animal from returning is to remove the food it's eating in your area. If you can't do that with a bear, at least call the PA game commission. They take the bear relocation thing seriously.

I would arm myself and kill one that threatened me without hesitation, but it's not the best and only option here.
 
I hope 7.62x39mm would do - that's all I have, too. :) Do you have irons on that bolt rifle, or just a scope - if you need to shoulder that puppy in a hurry, finding your scope sight picture might take a wee bit of time whilst Bruin is charging.
I would also have to say - empty the magazine. Give Papa Bear every lead pill you have. Cures you from being the cause of indigestion.
 
People do hunt black bears with handguns down to as low as a .45 ACP according to some things I've read in gun mags.

My brother shoots 'em with a bow. The last one he killed was from a ground blind at about 15 yards. It was peeping thru the port hole in the side when he turned around saw it. He said it walked just a few yards after he shot it, sat down, moaned and died.
 

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Let me start by saying I've never shot an animal in my life, nor shot a gun that shoots 7.62x39, so take this as a grain of salt.

Honestly, the way I would tackle this issue is first to call local game and wildlife office and ask for assistance. Let them know the bears have actually followed you and have showed mild aggression and is a threat to your animals.

Just in case, I'd buy some decent ammo (maybe Hornandy?) and carry that rifle while taking the dogs out for their late night business.
If push comes to shove, make sure you get as much distance as you can, be quick at your follow up shot, and don't stop shooting 'till the movement stops.

Best of luck to ya.
 
I'd be a little nervous trying to hit an aggressive bear coming at me with a bolt action and very very nervous trying to do it with just a scope and no irons. I'd invest in a 44mag or 45Colt blackhawk or redhawk and carry that around. Easier to do than a rifle iMO.
First I'd call the game commission though to see if they could get it.
 
I would get a mosin nagant. Plenty of power with a good soft point round. For $80 you can get a godd condition rifle. I bet a 7.62x54r SP wouldn't have any trouble dispatching a black bear or even a grizzly if you were a good shot(and had nerves of steel.:D)
 
People are food as are little dogs...to bears. If you remove the food, then the OP isn't at his house anymore.

I'd bet good money at this point that this bear hasn't been eating people. It's been eating dogfood that's left out or trash or something of that nature. If you can eliminate stuff like that, you'll generally have fewer problems with animals. They have no reason to be there other than just passing through. I've seen probably ten or twelve in the wild during the last fifteen years of my life. Just hiking along and minding my own business I've accidentally gotten very close to five or six of them. In all cases, as soon as they've noticed me, they either move along and mind their own business or flat out run away as fast as the can.

Not to say that some animals aren't in need of being shot. Some are and the one that the OP has run into seems like it might be in that category. But sometimes you can do things to minimize the danger of confrontation.

Personally, I'd zero for heavy 7.62x39 ammo with the irons if possible. If not, put the scope on the lowest power. Standard 123 grain stuff is a little light IMO, but I'd use it if that's what I had when things went bad. I know of people who've killed them with .357's during hunting season, so repeated hits from 7.62x39 should do the job.
Call the PGC and report the bear - they do pride themselves on handling such problems. At least give them the chance to trap it and get it on record that there's a dangerous bear in the area.
Remove any food that you might accidentally be leaving out. Encourage neighbors to do the same before someone gets killed, because bears and humans shouldn't really mix any more than necessary.
Keep the rifle on you when you take your dogs out at night and use it if you feel the need to. I'd shoot a dangerous bear without hesittion rather than let it harm me or other people in the area.

Last, remember that bears can be killed. They're just bears.
 
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