7.62x25 in a new gun? Would you buy it?

[MrTuffPaws]

Okay, inspired by this thread:

http://www.thehighroad.org/showthread.php?t=115387

If some gun maker came out with an up to date gun, say a Glock, 1911 type, or even a revolver, chambered in the Tokarev 7.62x25mm round, would you consider buying it?

For me, I think the round was a head of it's time, and I would pick a gun up chambered in it as soon as I had the funds.

 

[wasrjoe]

Well, as you can tell, I would.

 

[grendelbane]

Only if some one produced a viable hollow point bullet.

Such a gun would make a nice platfor for a 9x23mm case necked down to .22 caliber.

Which is another story. Already partially written.

 

[Michael Zeleny]

I would buy a 7.63x25mm autoloader in a heartbeat, especially if accompanied with a conversion kit for 9x25mm Mauser Export. In fact, I am biding my time for a mint C96 in either caliber.

 

[Greg L]

Probably, depending on the price and if AIM ever gets the surplus ammo in (that they've been saying is almost here for the past 18 months ). However it is hard to imagine a more affordable pistol than the $90-100 CZ52.

 

[Cortland]

No.

 

[hillbilly]

Yes, I would buy it.

But only if it were a light carbine, semi-auto, with lots of high-capacity mags available.

hillbilly

 

[Justin]

I'd be interested in a newly manufactured autoloading pistol for this round. However, I think that quite a bit of engineering would have to go into designing an ergonomic grip.

I also happen to think that 7.62x25mm is just screaming for a carbine platform!

 

[unspellable]

9 x 25 Mauser Export

I don't think the C96 was ever chambered for this round. Mauser produced another pistol derived from the C96 chambered for this round but it didn't enjoy any more popularity than the round did. If you've seen this pistol you know why it didn't sell like hotcakes.

I always wondered why when Winchester came out with the 9 mm Magnum they didn't just reintroduce the old 9 mm Mauser and save re-inventng the wheel. But then I found out the 9 mm Mauser used a larger diameter bullet than standard for most 9 mm cartridges, sort of like the 9 mm Makarov.

 

[Ohen Cepel]

I love my CZ and think it's a great round. Therefore, if it was a good platform I would certainly look into it.

I like the carbine idea!

 

[Greg L]

Probably, depending on the price and if AIM ever gets the surplus ammo in (that they've been saying is almost here for the past 18 months ).

Just a possible followup. This morning while checking my bank account there was a charge on there from AIM. Not having ordered anything recently , the only thing that I could think of was the ammo that I ordered a year ago finally came in (either that or Mrs. L talked them into shipping me something for Christmas on my FFL). I guess I'll find out when the BBT drops off either a long skinny box or a small heavy one.

 

[Michael Zeleny]

9x25mm Mauser Export

According to Barnes' Cartridges of the World, 9x25mm Mauser Export cartridge was developed for the Export Model C96 Mauser auto pistol and introduced in 1908, aimed at Africa and South America. Its case length is .980"/24.9mm; its rim diameter .389"/9.9mm; its OAL 1.377"/35mm; its bullet weight 125gr/8.15g; its velocity 1361 f.p.s/415 m.p.s. The C96 so chambered can be found without too much trouble. It was discontinued by its original maker in 1914 with the outbreak of WWI. The cartridge was revived in the 1930s as a submachinegun round in delayed blowback designs produced in Hungary (Model 39M & 43M) and Switzerland (Model MKMO and MKMP).

 

[Okiecruffler]

How about a modular system like the Beretta Neos? Swap from a pistol with a 4 inch barrel to a carbine with a 16 inch barrel? Oh yeah, I'd stand in line for that one.

 

[Black Snowman]

The 100 gr .308 Hornady XTP seems to be a good HP for 7.62 x 25 Tok. I haven't gotten around to loading any yet but most of the reloading posts I've seen say that this is "the bullet" for accuracy in the CZ 52 and XTPs are known for their performance and quality.

If there were a few new guns available in it I'd imagine that would be enough impetus for small specailty ammo vendors and reloaders like Georgia Arms or Double Tap to start producing defensive ammo with the bullet.

I don't have the data here at work. Is the COL longer than .45 ACP? I'm guessing it is since I haven't heard of a 1911 chambered in it.

 

[mfree]

7.62x25 is very long, IIRC, and I haven't checked my facts here, I think it's in the realm of 1.3" OAL.

 

[Gewehr98]

Black Snowman beat me to it.

Only if some one produced a viable hollow point bullet.

I load the Hornady XTP hollow points in my own 7.62x25 reloads.

And I'd buy either a Browning Hi-Power or 1911 if chambered for the 7.62x25. I'd load it to the hotter side of the spectrum, like the Czech or Bulgarian flavors, over 1600fps.

 

[Kamicosmos]

No. I'm not that fascinated with the round. And I'm not impressed with the CZ52 at all.

 

[petrel800]

I personally wish they would chamber an AR-15 upper in 7.62X25. Now that would be fun.

 

[Justin]

Is the COL longer than .45 ACP?

I seem to recall reading somewhere that the overall length of the cartridge is actually longer than a 10mm.

I personally wish they would chamber an AR-15 upper in 7.62X25. Now that would be fun.

Awhile back, someone over at AR15.com actually did this. Apparently at one point in time the Chinese produced a Sten chambered for 7.62x25mm, and the guy who built the AR carbine adopted it to use these magazines which are apparently quite cheap in bulk.

 

[Chris H]

I built a Commander in 7.62x25

Partly just to do it and partly because colt made a few. I used a pre series commander frame with a clw prefix (it was either 9 or super, never bothered to check) and a commander 38 super slide. i made the barrel from either 3006 or 308 remington barrel I had laying around. I had to tinker with it a bit to get it to work. It was pretty fun, but it just did not do anything for me. The round worked fine in super mags. Lost interest in it and sold the barrel, ended up making it a 38 super lw commander.

 

[tex_n_cal]

As I mentioned in another thread, I have a 1911 barrel in 7.62x25, and a matching magazine. Alegedly the Chinese made a few conversions of captured 1911A1's, and some of the parts made their way back here.

A Win 7.62x25 ball round I have is 1.365" overall, while a .38 Super loaded with 130 ball checks 1.265".

The frame of the gun has to be modified to accept the longer mag, or else you have to shorten the round. I expect a hollow point would help reduce the cartridge OAL. From what I can tell measuring a Colt .38 Super mag, if the round has length exceeding 1.30", you need a special magazine - and the gun will require a modification to the inside of the frame.

Unless I stumble upon a really cheap beater 1911, I'm not whittling on the inside of the frame anytime soon I guess that leaves the handloading option.

Or, of course, just go buy a CZ-52 and be done with it

 

[armoredman]

We need someone to build a good semi auto PPsH clone, and then the 7.62x25 will be kinda popular again!

 

[stevelyn]

Absolutely.

 

[Ivy Mike]

What about chambering a Five-seveN in 7.62x25.

 

[MICHAEL T]

AS a carbine yes. As a pistol no.