7.62x25 in a new gun? Would you buy it?

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I understand if you look hard enough...

There were many Browning Hi-Powers built for the round.

And I'll take all the CZ-52's that fail to impress Kamicosmos. It's not like they were built for his review, anyway.

I will measure some of my 7.62x25 Hornady XTP handloads. If they measure inside 1.30", i may shoot tex_n_cal a PM. :D
 
I'd think a conversion kit for an existing pistol (Ruger P-90, 1911, etc) would sell better than a complete pistol.

I also agree w/ MICHAEL T. A carbine in 7.62x25 (as well as 5.7x28) would be even better. Something like a Ruger PC-9, Beretta CX Storm, or M1 Carbine would be the berries... :D
 
Funny, I was talking to the guy that builds the "Tommy 15" (9mm AR using Suomi drum mags) about cutting one a little deeper and setting it up for the 7.62X25 using PPsH drums. He seemed to think it wouldn't be much more difficult then doing the 9mm version...
 
Here's a photo that you may find interesting:

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The nickel plated case round is a factory .38 Super. The brass case beside it is the aforementioned 7.62x25 load. You can see the length difference.

FN did make a number of Hi-Powers in .30 Luger, which is a shorter cartridge than the 7.62x25. I just happened to receive a new .30 Luger Hi-Power barrel in the mail today, which is shown at the bottom.

Colt supposedly made a few Commanders in the same caliber for the European police market - barrels for them turn up occasionally. There are of course a bunch of original .30 cal Lugers floating around in varying conditions, with varying levels of reliability. :confused:

Ruger made a run a few years ago of the P89 with two barrels, one in 9mm, one in .30 Luger. They turn up occasionally on auction sites.

The "7.62x25 M1911" barrel I have is shown at top. In both barrels are inserted a 7.62x25 round, like the one shown loose. Obviously, it's too long for the FN barrel.
 

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I don't think too many makers are going to be interested. The standard M1911 requires milling (broaching) the magazine well to the point where the front strap is very thin, and new magazines would have to be made. Making a new frame size for what would at best be a limited market just isn't on.

I was unaware that Colt made any pistols in that caliber, although the Chinese (and reportedly Viet Cong) converted some American .45 pistols and made some imitations. One caliber that Colt does make for export is 7.65 Parabellum (.30 Luger). This is no super power round, but in a LW Commander is remarkably pleasant to shoot and nothing to stand in front of. The bottleneck case makes it very reliable and about eliminates feeding problems.

Jim
 
No, I wouldn't be interested.
Actually that probably isn't true. I would be interested in reading about it and what you guys have to say about it, but I have no interest in buying one.
I have never understood the facination with this cartridge. I don't see what it does that isn't already done by a more mainstream cartridge.
That being said, If you get it, there are plenty of CZ52s and Tokarovs out there chambered for this round and the price is right. You can even buy a CZ52 and switch barrels to shoot 9mm Luger out of it. I have a couple CZ52s and have a 9mm Luger barrel. I also have a Polish TT that I use in a monthly match. So, I own and shoot three guns in this chambering and still don't see the attraction.
 
I think such a gun would be fun, and interesting ... not sure I'd buy one but I'd surely think about it.


Thing is, if you really want a bottle necked pistol cartridge, the .357sig fills that bill nicely ... the main advantage of the 7.62tok is that its sort of a poor man's 5.7mm (and may be somewhat more effective against soft body armor then other typical pistol rounds).
 
Ya know maybe what we need is really just a different loading of the 7.62x25...seat the bullet a little deeper, use a hollowpoint to get the OAL under 1.30", a touch less powder, and you've got a round that would work in a suitably barreled 1911. If the shoulder location wasn't changed, it could also be fired interchangeably in a regular 7.62x25 pistol.just a thought, of course :)
 
I'd love to see a more modern 7.62x25 pistol with a double stack magazine, better ergonomics and easy to see sights. I love how flat this round shoots and like shooting my CZ-52 a lot, but lets face it, the 90 degree grip and tiny sights take a lot of the fun out of the gun.
 
The thing to do would be to design a "kit" for all the peeps with mills and lathes (or vises, files, calipers, time, and a good eye :) )

Something like a simplified C96 Mauser that uses a commercially available barrel and the frame could be cut/drilled from bar stock. Could be blowback or rotating bolt, depending on what caliber you wanted to build in. Give the magwell area enough space to be cut for CZ52 mags or anything else.

Just a thought.
 
Pistol

if the only object is to have a pistol for this cartridge it would be no great trick to take a 30 cailber contender barrel and ream the chamber. Or the factory might even do it. The contender 32-20 barrels are available with a 308 groove diameter instead of 312 but the existing chamber is probably too long. What's the diameter in a 32 Mag barrel?

You could ream the chambers in a Ruger Black Hawk 30 Carbine.
 
You bet I'd be interested in a modern pistol and/or carbine chambered in 7.62x25. My CZ52 is a blast (no pun intended), the ballistics of the round are very impressive. In my experience the only commercially-available defensive rounds in 7.62 Tok are Magsafes. But if new weapons were being made for the round, ammo availability and variety would no doubt improve.
 
Amen, I truly great idea. I would like to see a carbine that could take ppsh magazines and have a modular and simple design. Maybe Calico or Kel-Tec could do it.
 
Grendlebane - We load 13 different bullets in the 7.62x25 with 10 being reliable HP or SP from 60g on up to 110g.

There is no way the FN Five-Seven could be made to use the 7.62x25, not only is the backthrust way too much, the recoil would be horrible. You have to remember that the 5.7x28 is only pushing a 26g bullet.

We are in development of a 1911 upper set-up for the .22 Reed Express, if we are sucessful then the 7.62x25 would be no problem.

As for a carbine in the 5.7x28, FN reports that they will have the civilian version of the P-90 available in three months. Be forwarned however that FN is REALLY bad about keeping on schedule.
 
Sure. A platform that is closer to a true 1911 would make it interesting, or maybe something doublestack and DA/SA.

Already planning on getting a TT33 if I can find one, though.

EDIT: Whoa, I forgot to check the date of the OP. This is what I get at 2AM.
 
FYI

From what testing I've seen so far, the Wolf JHP round (really a SP with a tiny cavity in the tip) works very well, and is reasonably priced.

I would love to see a modern DA/SA chambered in 7.62x25! Really, just mill the CZ-52 slide for better sights, rework the firing pin, and design a new lower to go under it!!
 
stop digging in the thread graveyard.
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They used the search function instead of starting a redundant thread. Nothing wrong with that. :) Lighten up.

It'd be nice if CZ or one of the clone companies would put it into a CZ75/85 or even the larger 97. but, a 1911 would put it in the hands of a lot more potential buyers.
 
You would need a frame of considerable size to handle the 7.62x25. Its longer than a .45 and a 10mm.

and even then you're still firing a light .30cal round out of a short barrel.
 
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