7.62x25 in a new gun? Would you buy it?

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I think that it'd be nice to see it chambered in the Glock 20/21 series (with the necessary design changes of course) in addition to adequate availability of both high capacity magazines and plenty of brand new factory non-corrosive ammunition.

Perhaps the next Glockmodels could be chambered in the caliber.
 
We need someone to build a good semi auto PPsH clone, and then the 7.62x25 will be kinda popular again!
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I'm pretty happy with the one I got from MGS:

http://www.militarygunsupply.com/shop2/index.php?main_page=product_info&cPath=14_16&products_id=133

Wasn't cheap, unfortunately. The drum that came with it worked, but the sticks are easier to deal with. Other drums I got from CDNN needed fitting and didn't feed out of the box, not had a chance to try them again since I messed with them..

I got ten of the 35 round stick mags from www.ioinc.us for $90 and plenty of <$0.10/round corrosive ammo from Sportsmans Guide.

--wally.
 
Yes. I think it would also make the ammunition producers consider better bullet designs in this caliber.
 
I would in a heartbeat.
I've got a Romanian TT-33 in 7.62x25, and 2 Norinco TT-33 clones in 9mm Luger. I love the 7.62 round and the platform.
I use a 9mm barrel bushing and a 9mm barrel from one of the Norinco's to shoot 9mm Luger out of the Romanian. I've also modified a spare 9mm barrel to run 9x23 Winchester through it, which has the ballistics of the 357 Magnum.
I've thought about modifying another 9mm Luger barrel to chamber 9x25, and using .223 cases cut down to 25mm. I'd basically be making a 9x25 Mauser Export using a much stronger case than the original. I got a few of Makarov.com's compensators for the Tok, and I'm presently modifying one to handle the 9mm barrel. I figure that would help with the recoil of the much more powerful 9x25 round. I don't know if the resulting combination would be good for anything, this is just because it is something I can do that sounds like fun.
 
Mastiff,I like the TT33's myself ( and VZ52's,Mausers,etc);but how DID you ework the (mm Tok to safely handle the 9X23...I know its basically a rimless.38Super/upgraded 9mmLargo;but that must have been some serious attention to detail!!!
 
Oh come now.... it's a good topic. And yes, I'd buy a new production pistol. I'd love to see a modernized, high cap gun in this caliber. Word was the Russians were considering going back to using this caliber in their new service pistols.... then, they decided to go with 9x19mm like most of the rest of the world.

I like 9, I love 9, but on military targets, an fmj 7.62x25mm is hard to beat.
 
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Mastiff,I like the TT33's myself ( and VZ52's,Mausers,etc);but how DID you ework the (mm Tok to safely handle the 9X23...I know its basically a rimless.38Super/upgraded 9mmLargo;but that must have been some serious attention to detail!!!
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It took a drill bit set.:what:
I followed Clark's instructions. He posts on this site, and was very helpful to me on this conversion.
Here is a repeat of his post.
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http://gunsnet.net/forums/showthread.php?t=244727 (post#7)
The 9x23mm chamber can be had in a Chinese 9mm Tokarev barrel with a drill set.

I have 1/2" drill chuck that I hold in one hand, the 9mm barrel in the other, give it a few quick twists of the wrist, and the cutting is done. Be careful not to cut too much. Use a cartridge for a chamber gauge.

The 38 Super, 9mm Largo, and 9x23mmWin are similar and can each be achieved with a drill set. The Tokarev makes a much better conversion than a Star Super B, but both will work.

base: Largo .375", 38 super: .384", 9x23: .390"
case: Largo: .91", 38 Super: .9", 9x23mm: .9"
neck: Largo: .375", 38 Super: .384", 9x23mm: .380"
OAL: Largo: 1.32", 38 Super: 1.28", 9x23mm: 1.245"

http://www.widell.com/drillsiz.html

As you can see, V drill will make a .3770" hole and a W drill will make a .3860" hole.
The correct choice for lengthening the chamber is 24/64ths. This make the chamber .0060" sloppy, but that is fine.

The throat should be .357"
As you can see the T drill makes a .358" hole. that is .001" oversize
23/64 drill will make a .3594" hole, that is .0027" oversize.
U drill will make a .3680" hole, that is .011" oversize.

I find that I like the U drill better for getting the cartridge to fall in the chamber, but drill holes made with a twist of the wrist may be a few thousands small.

I seat a .358" LSWC bullet out to 1.36" and cut the throat until the cartridge falls in.


The max load for 357 mag with 158 gr. is 8 gr. Power Pistol 1.57" OAL.
http://recipes.alliantpowder.com/rg...descr=158 JSP
I load:
.380 in M1903: 8.5 gr. Power Pistol 158 gr. XTP, 1187 fps
9mm in P11: 11 gr. Power Pistol, 158 gr. XTP
9x23mm in Tokarev, 16 gr. Power Pistol, 158 gr. XTP, Win brass

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http://www.bettico.com/Tokerev2.pdf
This is a copy of a magazine article where the guy talks about converting the Norinco Model 213 (a Chinese copy of the TT-33 in 9mm Luger) to 9x25 Mauser Export. He doesn't use the drill bit set, however! :D
 
Yeah, why not?

I like the idea of the small high-cap carbine, kinda like a Marlin Camp 9 with an attitude.:what:

Why? I dunno, I've shot at a lot of things that didn't need anything bigger than a .357 slug, and for those coyote sized varmints, sure, IF somebody made, as mentioned, new noncorrosive ammo with a proper varmint (expanding) bullet.

If you chrome lined the bore, all the better for shooting milsurp ammo. I don't know if I'd buy a new handgun, but I have a couple of those ugly CZ52s that are interesting to play with at the range.

Of course, as Mastiff mentioned, good conversion base for 9x23. Dimensions are similar enough that if you could do it for the .30 tok, you could use the same hardware with a barrel change for the 9x23. Yeah.... I'd buy one of those! :evil:
 
Regretfully, no. There are so many guns I want, and that caliber is not on my list.

Being a crusty and opinionated old curmudgeon, I have long held there are only 4 1/2 useful pistol cartridges -- and among them, they will do anything that needs being done with a pistol.

1. The .22 Long Rifle. Everyone needs a .22 pistol. If you don't understand why, ask your mother.

1 1/2. The .38 Special. It's a good cartridge for small revolvers (and most little .357s are really painful to shoot with .357s, so owners who practice carry .38s.) It's also a great small game cartridge.

2. The .357. Great for hunting medium game and self defense.

3. The .45 ACP. In the pistol designed for it, the M1911, it's the greatest fighting pistol ever produced.

4. The .45 Colt. In a Ruger Blackhawk, it will edge out the .44 Magnum. But even standard loads will corner to corner a white tail.
 
Vern: you forgot one.....

5. 9mm: Thanks to NATO and the US military, it will be the most available pistol ammo. And it will do 90% of what you need a pistol round to do. And it's a little easier to shoot in a 1911 or similar-sized auto than .45ACP with comparable effectiveness. Every cool kid should have one... :cool:
 
Vern: you forgot one.....

5. 9mm
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I didn't forget the 9mm -- I just don't have any use for it. When I carry a defensive handgun, I don't have to cater to European allies, or worry about if some petit female can handle it -- so I can carry the M1911 in .45 ACP and be comforted that I have the finest fighting pistol ever designed.
 
No, I didn't forget M1 Carbine, McGunner

Yep, I have one.

I take it you haven't priced ammo, then? Milsurp M1 Carbine ammo if you can find it is way more expensive. And I did mention that such a carbine would be a candidate for switch with 9x23, something you can't easily do with the good old M1 Carbine.:scrutiny:

I also said that I have a couple CZ52s in 7.62 Tok, and if you think about it, there has been a special place for carbines and handguns that shoot the same cartridge, even if the logic doesn't always make sense. If you're a reloader, it generally does make some sense. I don't have a handgun in .30 Carbine, and they're well known for impressive muzzle blast. I do have a couple in 9x23, so such a carbine would be attractive to me.

So I will stick to my guns on my vote.:evil:
 
so in actuality, Vern did forget the 9mm.
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I have a theory - God tells me what He wants me to have by allowing me to find lots of once-fired brass at the range.

When I found a lot of .45 Colt, I knew he wanted me to have a .45 Colt.

When I found a lot of .38 Special and .357, I knew he wanted me to have .38s and .357s.

When I found a lot of .22 Hornet, I knew he wanted me to have a .22 Hornet.

When I found a lot of .45 ACP, I knew he wanted me to have an M1911.

When I found a lot of 9mm, I knew the Devil is a deceiver.:neener:
 
i would

i would buy a carbine ina heart beat

ive been kinda debationg gettign my gs to make me something off of an m1 carbine reciever chambered for 7.62x25 just for plinking


a revolver would be hard to do since its a necked casing
 
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