never_retreat
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Two nice shots. Anyone know how many rounds he let off? If it was only two they were really good.
71 yr old CCWer Shoots and Kills Robbery Suspect at Subway Restaurant (FL)
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elkhuntingfool
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According to the other article I read - he fired off seven shots. At least 3 landed that were confirmed - one to the chest and one to the head (dead) and the other guy took one to the chest. Not bad for that situation.
Creature
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Agreed...but, dont forget: he is responsible for the other four rounds and where they landed.
Phyphor
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You'd think the perps would learn to not screw with Marines, no matter how old.
Good job on the part of the old man.
Good job on the part of the old man.
TexasRifleman
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Once a Marine, always a Marine. There is no ex-Marine......
The problem I have with the article is the
He most certainly did NOT take the law into his own hands. The Legislature and the People of the State of Florida gave him the right to do exactly what he did. That is hardly taking the law into your own hands.
Seminole
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There is no gun licensing in Florida. More evidence of reporter's ignorance.
Lonestar49
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Took the LAW into his own hands, actually..
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When I read that, I too, at first, thought is was a swipe at our 71yr old hero.
But, actually, he did, as those 2 thugs, "broke some laws" and at the same time, he "took the law" into his own hands (his gun) and used the law, that says: "A person has the right to defend himself, in fear of great harm or death upon himself.."
So, I then left it (that statement) alone, as he did "take the law into his own hands" and used it wisely and quickly.
That's because, he and I, as Pilots, think alike.. OR, as a responsible gun owner, myself, like the rest of you-all, we do understand our rights, and the law that supports our rights, to take that law into our own hands, and use it wisely and legally.
IMHO,
LS
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When I read that, I too, at first, thought is was a swipe at our 71yr old hero.
But, actually, he did, as those 2 thugs, "broke some laws" and at the same time, he "took the law" into his own hands (his gun) and used the law, that says: "A person has the right to defend himself, in fear of great harm or death upon himself.."
So, I then left it (that statement) alone, as he did "take the law into his own hands" and used it wisely and quickly.
That's because, he and I, as Pilots, think alike.. OR, as a responsible gun owner, myself, like the rest of you-all, we do understand our rights, and the law that supports our rights, to take that law into our own hands, and use it wisely and legally.
IMHO,
LS
Travis McGee
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I wonder, is there a security videotape?
Jkwas
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Yes, I'm to understand there was a security video tape. I also read an article than said he dropped his wallet on the floor for them to take, but that wasn't good enough for them. Seems he was trying not to have to take it to the next level, but I can only imagine what was going thru his head when the made him go into the womens room. At that point he had no choice but to do what he did. Wonder what was going thru the mind of the clerk when he heard the shots. He was probably thinking "they're killing that poor old guy" Bet he was surprised at the outcome.
Cannonball888
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Gotta love the Gunshine State!
Double Naught Spy
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What some of y'all don't realize, certainly the reporter did not, is that the expression about taking the law into one's own hands actually refers to vigilante acts where "justice" is imposed without due process. Self defense is not a vigilante act, nor does it involve taking the law into one's own hands any more than legally walking down the street is taking the law into one's own hands. To take the law into one's own hands is to operate outside of the law, in an illegal manner. People who commit lynchings of supposed bad guys are people who take the law into their own hands, imposing justice without due process and doing so quite illegally.
The good guy in this story shot in self defense. That was not taking the law into his own hands as he was operating within the confines of the law. Had he sought out the burglars after the fact and gunned them down, that would be taking the law into his own hands and be illegal as such an act would be outside of the law.
The good guy in this story shot in self defense. That was not taking the law into his own hands as he was operating within the confines of the law. Had he sought out the burglars after the fact and gunned them down, that would be taking the law into his own hands and be illegal as such an act would be outside of the law.
My main issue with the Sun-Sentinel's article is that they devoted the last 5 paragraphs of the article to the perps' relatives defending them. Makes me think they were trying to portray these clowns as unfortunate victims of circumstance, since the last thing you're going to read is that these guys were turning their lives around and now they're dead.
lesjones
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Didja notice?
The robbery was "alleged," the righteous shooting was not alleged.
The robbery was "alleged," the righteous shooting was not alleged.
That's because the shooter isn't being charged with a crime.
In the case of the surviving scumbag he is being charged with a crime. Until he's found guilty the crime is alleged and lots of newsies would continue to say alleged even after the scumbag was found guilty. Must be something they teach in journalism school or maybe fear of a lawsuit.
this was very close to where I live, and it was across the street from where my aunt and uncle live.
the local community is having mixed reactions... which is weird.
I was having breakfast with my whole family this morning and my mother, who is incredibly anti typically said this morning that she supports ccw, to which I said, "Well that's fantastic. I hope that you really feel that way and not simply when it's convenient." - it wasn't rude like it reads in print.... meanwhile my super liberal brother tried to convince the family that people don't have the right to kill in self-defense.
- which I suppose somewhat embodies the local response I've been seeing.
the local community is having mixed reactions... which is weird.
I was having breakfast with my whole family this morning and my mother, who is incredibly anti typically said this morning that she supports ccw, to which I said, "Well that's fantastic. I hope that you really feel that way and not simply when it's convenient." - it wasn't rude like it reads in print.... meanwhile my super liberal brother tried to convince the family that people don't have the right to kill in self-defense.
- which I suppose somewhat embodies the local response I've been seeing.
i love to hear good news stories like this. you probably won't see them on mainstream news though...too much talk about paris hilton.
i saw that they had to spin it this way...
instead of saying that he defended himself and others.
good job marine, oooorah!
i saw that they had to spin it this way...
instead of saying that he defended himself and others.
good job marine, oooorah!
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There should be an acceptable time period for "turning your life around". And these guys would have been way behind. The old guy just saw an opportunity to accelerate the process. Looks to me like he was successful. The bad guys have made a 180 and will likely be law abiding for eternity.
Black Adder LXX
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All I have to say is, "JOHN LOVELL IS MY HOMIE!!!"
This happened not too far from me, and I hope I meet him so I can shake his hand. He is a HERO! A 71-year-old man saved the poor underpaid sandwich maker and his own life when 2 little punks thought they had an easy job and found out they were wrong.
The grandmother has good reason to be saddened, but if you don't want to get shot, don't choose to be a violent criminal. As far as the reporter and the 'taking the law into his own hands', I'd like to see their SPIN if they had been in line with them that night...
BTW- the sun-sentinel report includes the store employee's report that there were blows exchanges before the shots were fired: http://www.sun-sentinel.com/news/lo...bjun30,0,6526371.story?coll=sfla-news-broward
"Ramirez feared that the robbers were killing Lovell, not realizing at the time that it was Lovell who was pounding on and shooting the robbers."
Not bad for a 71 year old man. God bless him.
This happened not too far from me, and I hope I meet him so I can shake his hand. He is a HERO! A 71-year-old man saved the poor underpaid sandwich maker and his own life when 2 little punks thought they had an easy job and found out they were wrong.
The grandmother has good reason to be saddened, but if you don't want to get shot, don't choose to be a violent criminal. As far as the reporter and the 'taking the law into his own hands', I'd like to see their SPIN if they had been in line with them that night...
BTW- the sun-sentinel report includes the store employee's report that there were blows exchanges before the shots were fired: http://www.sun-sentinel.com/news/lo...bjun30,0,6526371.story?coll=sfla-news-broward
"Ramirez feared that the robbers were killing Lovell, not realizing at the time that it was Lovell who was pounding on and shooting the robbers."
Not bad for a 71 year old man. God bless him.
Phyphor
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Means the old fellow even bothered to give the thugs an even break
No shame to him. No guilt to him. Those idiots deserved to be Darwinated.
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Hell yes, My hero.
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