If one were to be in the market for a 9mm autoloader for CCW for say 10% of the time and use at the range for the other 90%. What would be your choice? The Classic Browning Hi-power, CZ, Beretta, Ruger, Sig, Others? Price Range $500 to $800.
9mm Autoloader perspective
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I personally like my CZ-85 Combat, especially since it sold new for $425. It's deadly accurate and fun to shoot. The HP is a good concealment weapon because it's small and narrow for the mag capacity it holds. Hate the trigger on it. I really like my Ber 92, and I think a 92D is one of the best service (defense) weapons around. Holds 17 + 1 rounds with standard magazines. Sigs are good guns, kind of expensive I think. My favorite 9mm is a 1911: STI Trojan, but Springfield also makes the 1911 in 9mm. Low recoil, very accurate.
Snaps
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I like the Smith & Wesson SW99 for around $500. I've only shot one a couple times but I liked it. Only thing is I like to have hammers on them.
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First choice would be the Sig 239 at about $550. It is great for concealed carry and is a great shooter as well, although some people find the grip too small for their hand. I also like the CZ compact, about $400. The Hi Power is great if you like SA type actions, around $600. I have a Beretta 92D Centurion that I love but it is too big for concealed carry in my opinion. Mike
First choice would be the Sig 239 at about $550. It is great for concealed carry and is a great shooter as well, although some people find the grip too small for their hand. I also like the CZ compact, about $400. The Hi Power is great if you like SA type actions, around $600. I have a Beretta 92D Centurion that I love but it is too big for concealed carry in my opinion. Mike
Devonai
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I love my Beretta 92G Centurion, but it is a bit too large for concealed carry during the summer months. I used to have a Sig 239 9mm for that, but I switched to the 239 .40. Now I can't hit worth beans with the Sig, I'm starting to think I should have stayed with the 9mm. I have a lot of practice in front of me 
If you buy a Beretta, I imagine you'll carry it a lot more than 10% of the time!
If you buy a Beretta, I imagine you'll carry it a lot more than 10% of the time!
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Handy
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If I was planning on carrying very little, I would focus more on craftsmanship and accuracy. Weight, finish, capacity and carry mode would take more of a backseat.
A metal full sized gun with a great reputation for the above would be my first choice. BHP, blued CZ, Sig (see other Sig 220 thread), maybe something a little more rare or different. But if you want something primarily for the pleasure of shooting, accuracy, sights, trigger are your big items.
My favorite range/carry pistols are some older HKs; a P7 and a P9S. They cost me $700 and $650, respectively. Absurdly accurate. Along those lines, browse the "most accurate service 9mm" thread for ideas.
A metal full sized gun with a great reputation for the above would be my first choice. BHP, blued CZ, Sig (see other Sig 220 thread), maybe something a little more rare or different. But if you want something primarily for the pleasure of shooting, accuracy, sights, trigger are your big items.
My favorite range/carry pistols are some older HKs; a P7 and a P9S. They cost me $700 and $650, respectively. Absurdly accurate. Along those lines, browse the "most accurate service 9mm" thread for ideas.
cratz2
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A $700 P7 would be an excellent choice... if you find one.
I carry a Kahr P9 Covert. Compact... lightweight. Accurate and reliable so far.
I'd also consider looking for something like a Colt Commander or Combat Commander in 9mm for $500 and have a smith work his magic to make sure it runs right.
I carry a Kahr P9 Covert. Compact... lightweight. Accurate and reliable so far.
I'd also consider looking for something like a Colt Commander or Combat Commander in 9mm for $500 and have a smith work his magic to make sure it runs right.
cool45auto
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dtippie1: First welcome to THR!
Now go get yourself a Beretta and stop this foolishness!
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Now go get yourself a Beretta and stop this foolishness!
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Jiml3
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My choice would be new: CZ- PCR compact. About $420. new.
Also excellent choices in the used market would be S&W 3913, very compact holds 8 + 1, or the 6906 which holds 12 + 1.
Lots of them around at under $500. and find one not abused and it's a keeper. All three are traditional double action.
Also excellent choices in the used market would be S&W 3913, very compact holds 8 + 1, or the 6906 which holds 12 + 1.
Lots of them around at under $500. and find one not abused and it's a keeper. All three are traditional double action.
10-Ring
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My 2 cents...
I would recommend a HK USPc 9.
I would recommend a HK USPc 9.
benEzra
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Smith & Wesson 3913 or 3913LS.
Sig P225 or P228 would both be good combo CCW and range guns, and I would also agree with previous comments on the CZ 85 Combat, although because of the fact that the CZ 85 Combat has adjustable sights and ambi slide stops & safeties, which might not carry so well, the 75BD would be a good alternative. The 75BD has a decocker lever instead of a manual safety, which I personally prefer for a CCW gun.
caz223
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I'd get a sig (Whichever feels best to you, 239, 2009, or one of many others) or a H&K USP compact.
All have different manual of arms.
All of the above can double as bullseye pistols.
The CZ 75/85 are a little big to carry.
The compact models from CZ might fill the bill.
It might take a little shooting to work the bugs out of a CZ, but they are of excellent design, and are of adequate accuracy.
The S&W chief special is worth a try, too.
I shot a CS9 at the range, and came away impressed.
Any number of nines currently on the market are worth a look.
Basically, I'd get a SIG, H&K, or S&W CS9.
All are about $600 at the toy stores that I go to.
I'd steer clear of taurus, S&W (Other than the chief's special series) and glock. Glocks are kind of a bad first gun.
The beretta L series 92 might be worth a look, too.
All have different manual of arms.
All of the above can double as bullseye pistols.
The CZ 75/85 are a little big to carry.
The compact models from CZ might fill the bill.
It might take a little shooting to work the bugs out of a CZ, but they are of excellent design, and are of adequate accuracy.
The S&W chief special is worth a try, too.
I shot a CS9 at the range, and came away impressed.
Any number of nines currently on the market are worth a look.
Basically, I'd get a SIG, H&K, or S&W CS9.
All are about $600 at the toy stores that I go to.
I'd steer clear of taurus, S&W (Other than the chief's special series) and glock. Glocks are kind of a bad first gun.
The beretta L series 92 might be worth a look, too.
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caz,
While your point is valid and I agree that glock's are not necessarily good for a new shooter, he didn't say he was a new shooter.
If you're not a new shooter, I shall be the first to chime in with GLOCK. Specifically the Glock 19. Oh yeah. Just a few ounces in weight, but tons of fun to shoot.
While your point is valid and I agree that glock's are not necessarily good for a new shooter, he didn't say he was a new shooter.
If you're not a new shooter, I shall be the first to chime in with GLOCK. Specifically the Glock 19. Oh yeah. Just a few ounces in weight, but tons of fun to shoot.
doublebarrel
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I used to think the same, that new shooter should steer clear of Glocks. But after some time now, I kinda think it might be the best choice for a newbie. Well, the problem with Glocks is that, they don't have any safety at all (I don't call that funky trigger thing a safety, and firing pin block is not a safety in my book, though it's very very important and useful). A safety is, I think, something prevent you from firing the gun, when trigger is pulled.
For a new person, if he/she learns it the right way from very begining, not to rely on manual safeties, and keep his/her finger out of the trigger hole at all time till they want to fire, wouldn't that be a good thing?
For a new person, if he/she learns it the right way from very begining, not to rely on manual safeties, and keep his/her finger out of the trigger hole at all time till they want to fire, wouldn't that be a good thing?
caz223
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Glocks aren't bad guns, never said they were.
I wouldn't trade my G20 for anything.
Maybe I didn't say what I meant correctly.
How about this?
There are better guns for new shooters.
Sounds like he definately knows what class of gun he wants, strangely, a glock wasn't in his original list.
A glaring omission? Hardly.
If a Glock was what he wanted, he wouldn't have asked what he should get.
Glocks are almost a category to themselves, a DAO, yet with the short pull of a single action, no mechanical safety, no decocker, no hammer, a fairly unique manual of arms.
Sounds like (to me, anyway.) that he has decided that glocks are better left to others, unless they were an amazing write-in vote, which I notice they are not.
Nothing wrong with that.
Glocks are good guns, if a Glock is what you want, buy it.
If Glocks are what you want, you kinda know it, maybe a Zen thing. Maybe it's in the water.
But once you have a Glock, other guns will feel strange to you, and if you like more conventional guns, then Glocks will feel strange to you.
I wouldn't have written a book, but it seems I must project my views better than the protracted paragraph that I wrote earlier.
I wouldn't trade my G20 for anything.
Maybe I didn't say what I meant correctly.
How about this?
There are better guns for new shooters.
Sounds like he definately knows what class of gun he wants, strangely, a glock wasn't in his original list.
A glaring omission? Hardly.
If a Glock was what he wanted, he wouldn't have asked what he should get.
Glocks are almost a category to themselves, a DAO, yet with the short pull of a single action, no mechanical safety, no decocker, no hammer, a fairly unique manual of arms.
Sounds like (to me, anyway.) that he has decided that glocks are better left to others, unless they were an amazing write-in vote, which I notice they are not.
Nothing wrong with that.
Glocks are good guns, if a Glock is what you want, buy it.
If Glocks are what you want, you kinda know it, maybe a Zen thing. Maybe it's in the water.
But once you have a Glock, other guns will feel strange to you, and if you like more conventional guns, then Glocks will feel strange to you.
I wouldn't have written a book, but it seems I must project my views better than the protracted paragraph that I wrote earlier.
Arub
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A Ruger P95 should come in around $330 to $360, roughly half of you maximum dollar limit. They currently offer a $40 rebate on the Pseries pistols until Sept 30. With the rebate, you could buy a Ruger 9mm and a .40 or .45 and still have money left to buy ammo for the $700.
Rugers are rugged, as accurate as any other service type pistol out there and highly reliable.
Glocks are also an excellent choice. More concealable than the Rugers (G19/G26). They are also highly reliable, rugged and accurate. Cost $500 to $550 NIB.
Rugers are rugged, as accurate as any other service type pistol out there and highly reliable.
Glocks are also an excellent choice. More concealable than the Rugers (G19/G26). They are also highly reliable, rugged and accurate. Cost $500 to $550 NIB.
modifiedbrowning
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Walther P99. If you go a little higher perhaps a P88 or P88 Compact.
GlocksRock
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Glock 19
Penforhire
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I bought the P99 and am happy. But... I would consider the Glock just because it also gets you entry into Glock-only shoots, if range competitions are at all in your future.
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