9mm Carbine; Hi-Point Burner

[7.62FullMetalJacket]

I am somewhat embarrassed to ask this question. I am looking at the hi-point carbine to get junior comfortable with the long gun (outside the 10/22). I see them on the rack and they are relatively inexpensive ($150). I am not looking for a SHTF gun, just a thrasher for range time. I am also considering this because I do not intend to have a 9mm carbine in the stable for the long term. So, if I wear it out in a year, no problem.

IS IT DANGEROUS? That is the most important question.
Are there any reported problems?

 

[plateshooter]

I have one, and so do several of my friends. We use them for trunk guns mostly. They are quite accurate, and the one I have works great. I have a 9mm AR I use for plate shooting, but for the money, the Hi Point serves well.

 

[bdhawk]

hi-point carbine

i have one. it is really fun, reasonably accurate, and it has never jammed with quality ammo. i bolted a cheap red dot scope to mine and it is quick shooting multiple targets like bowling pins or paper plates or the clay discs.
go ahead and get one, you'll be glad you did.

 

[7.62FullMetalJacket]

Thanx. I think it solves my problem for the next level shooter on the cheap

 

[outdoorman63]

hi point

i love mine..have had no problems

 

[bdhawk]

BTW, i wish they would make 'em in .40 s&w, .45 acp, .357 sig, and maybe even 10MM.

 

[Dave R]

No more dangerous than any other semi-auto. I think repeaters (boltguns, levers, etc.) are safer for new shooters than semi-autos. After shooting, repeaters require several motions before they are ready to shoot again. Semi's require only a twitch to send off a round at an inopportune time.

But that's a personal bias.

 

[7.62FullMetalJacket]

Junior has already been working with the 10/22 semi-auto.

 

[Daedalus]

IMO it is a lot easier to forget a round in a lever action than it is in a repeater.

 

[Tropical Z]

Also remember that Hi-Point has the best warranty in the business and great customer service even if youre a dumbhead like me!

 

[Harry Tuttle]

from what i have read,
don't take them apart

http://www.thefiringline.com/forums...id=94456&sortby=lastpost&sortorder=descending

 

[Sarge111]

Hi-Point Carbines

If you're trying to teach somebody to shoot, I'd pass on the Hi-Point. I had a couple of cops bring these to qualifications I was running, and the triggers were so bad that you could barely tell if the safety was on until it went "bang". The sights were a SOB to adjust, too.

I'd buy an SKS, sight it in carefully and clean up (or have somone clean up) the trigger before I'd fiddle with one of these cussed things again.

PS- A lever-action IS a repeater. Fully unload it and leave that lever open between strings of fire, and there's probably nothing safer.

 

[PO2Hammer]

The're not as cheap, and you won't want to get rid of it in a year, but the ruger PC-9 is a great little gun for beginners. I've tried the hi-point and it's ok but it seems a little fragile, especially the sights. The ruger is tough as nails, very accurate, has nice open sights to teach basic sight alignment. Some day if junior rates a pistol, a p-95 makes a great companion piece. I really like my pc-9, suprisingly accurate and loads of fun.

 

[7.62FullMetalJacket]

I would love a Ruger. Before i dropped 5 bills on a PC9, I would probably opt for the Mini-14 in .223. The only reason I was considering the hi-point was for an intermediate step. I agree that it is probably not the best tool to teach sighting. If I went the .223 route, then it would be a keeper. I only have .308, and larger, rifles. Junior can not handle the .308 yet, not to mention the 45/70

 

[444]

This makes me shake my head in astonishment every time I say this, but I own three 9mm carbines
A Hi-Point, a Ruger PC9, and a Colt Lightweight Sporter (AR15).
I have no idea why I have three 9mm carbines; I almost never shoot any of them (although I did when I first bought them). But, if I had a burning desire for a 9mm carbine knowing what I do now, I would buy the Hi-Point. I paid $75 for mine and consider it every bit as good a tool as the others that cost FAR more money (I think I paid $1300 for the AR and close to $500 for the Ruger). I have taken mine
completely apart with no problem at all (and, I got it back together) and I swear to you that I am a mechanical idiot.

I say, buy it, enjoy it, and never look back. I am completely satisfied with mine. The only real good use I found for it is exactly what you intend. I have taken several girlfriends out to shoot it and they loved it (mainly because it has a laser). Mine also has a scope on it.

 

[Geech]

Did you buy the laser and scope separately or did you get all that for $75?

 

[444]

I bought the gun used: Gun, laser, four mags, and a case of PMC 115 grain hardball for $75.
I bought the scope and mount used from my local dealer who sold hundreds of Hi-Point carbines prior to Y2K.
The scope is cheap and nothing to write home about, but it works.


By the way, out of the hundreds of carbines my local dealer sold over the last 4-5 years he got exactly one back that was broken. He called Hi-Point on the phone, they walked him though the diagnosis. They overnighted him the part and then walked him thorugh the part replacement over the phone. Three days after breaking it the guy was back up and running. Total cost to the customer = $0.00

 

[7.62FullMetalJacket]

Hi-Point:

Mostly favorable feed-back. Thank You.

What is the recoil? I am guessing almost none.
What ranges are typical/reasonable for accuracy? 50? 100?
Is it a proprietary magazine? Aftermarket possibilities?

444
You mentioned a laser sight. Manufacturer?

I will probably not put glass on it. But the laser familiarity might be of use.

 

[444]

I am not sure but I think the laser is something sold by Hi-Point.

The scope is a cheap shotgun scope, it might be a Tasco, but I am not sure of that. The gun is in the very back of my safe leaning against the safe wall (it is too short to reach the barrel holder things) and I don't want to dig for it.

I took a girl out to shoot the carbine when I first got it. I had barely even tried the laser. She asked, "why would anyone want that little light on their gun ?" I told her to just put the little red dot on the beer can and press the trigger. I never got the gun back until it was too dark to see. Luckily I had several hundred rounds of ammo with me.

 

[Geech]

Sounds like you got a real good deal with the rifle, 444. Of course, from what I've heard buying one of these things new is a good deal. I'm not sure why I haven't gotten one yet... Maybe I'm having problems justifying the purchase of a pistol-caliber carbine in general.

 

[7.62FullMetalJacket]

444

Which ran out first, the ammo or beer cans?

 

[444]

"Sounds like you got a real good deal with the rifle, 444."

Totally off topic, but that isn't the whole story. I ended up buying all that stuff listed above along with a Marlin 444, and a Ruger 77 in .22-250 along with a couple sets of dies and some bullets for $350. I went to the guys house to buy the Ruger 77 and he mentioned that he was selling some other stuff. I had no interest in the .444 or the Hi-Point, but for that price, how could I pass it up ?

 

[telewinz]

I got a Hi-Point carbine from the maker(Ohio) the first month they came out, they were at a local gunshow $129. As was said before, you can pay alot more and about all you get for the money is maybe 5 more rounds (15) in the magazine. Got rid of it for no other reason than I got tired of picking up the brass to reload, I even had a scope mounted on it. Still been looking for one of those "great" deals people talk about all the time but all I see is $179 + tax. Sure wish they had a 40S&W carbine, I might go as high as $199 for that The poor mans Beretta Storm ($650).

 

[Onslaught]

I think it's a great "next step" choice for little $$$.

I too would like to hear others opinion on recoil, as I have only one input so far. My 12 year old son was with me at the range firing .22's and my AR, and a man and his son were next to us shooting an M1A and a Hi Point.

When he saw my son looking at his HiPoint, the man asked if he'd like to shoot it. Of course he was excited, and fired a couple of rounds through it. But he put it down and said thank you and we walked back over to our station. He told me that he didn't like it as much as the AR because it kicked more. I have no idea what others have experienced, as again, he's only 12, lives with his mother in another State, and only gets to go to the range with me 3 or 4 times a year. I also think he's a bit recoil sensitive with rifles.

For reference, the AR has a fluted 14.5" barrel and the old style telestock. Not very heavy at all.

 

[telewinz]

Onslaught

My daughter made the same comment when she shot mine. The one down side to the Hi-Point Carbine is that the recoil causes the buttstock to bulge-outwards which amount to a slap to your cheek. I have a beard so I didn't notice the slap at first but when I paid attention, dang if she wasn't right.