ArkansasFatboy
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Guys what are your opinions on the 9mm carbines out there and the real question can you get one rebarreled to fire 7.62x25 tokarev ammo?
9mm Carbine Question
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If you could, it would be a custom job. Nothing production that I can think of. There was one company doing ppSH41 remakes in 7.62x25 though.
9x19 is an affordable enough round though for target shooting. Ruger PC-9's are awsome weapons, as are some of the other makes on the market.
9x19 is an affordable enough round though for target shooting. Ruger PC-9's are awsome weapons, as are some of the other makes on the market.
boredelmo
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MassMark
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Uzi... Robust, reliable, accurate and multi-caliber. As is, you can shoot 9mm, .40 and .357 Sig without more than a barrel change - there's a guy who makes Uzi barrels in multi calibers, (Barrelexchange).
.45ACP and .22lr can be done with a conversion kit. I think 7.62x25 was discussed on an Uzi board and it was thought to be a tough nut to crack.
Buy an Uzi - you won't be sorry - get one while you still can.
Uzi... Robust, reliable, accurate and multi-caliber. As is, you can shoot 9mm, .40 and .357 Sig without more than a barrel change - there's a guy who makes Uzi barrels in multi calibers, (Barrelexchange).
.45ACP and .22lr can be done with a conversion kit. I think 7.62x25 was discussed on an Uzi board and it was thought to be a tough nut to crack.
Buy an Uzi - you won't be sorry - get one while you still can.
30 cal slob
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i love my rock river arms 9mm AR upper. mags are cheap and plentiful. occasionally you'll have to fuss with the mag block to make it work right, but i have no complaints otherwise.
as far as doing the tokarev conversion ... sounds like a custom job to me.
as far as doing the tokarev conversion ... sounds like a custom job to me.
I would imagine you could get any of them rebarrelled with a custom barrel, but it'll be a bit spendy. Personally, I love 9mm carbines. I have a Marlin Camp 9 that ranks among my all time favorite guns. It's accurate enough to be fun and as reliable as sunrise. I dropped it in a Muzzlelite bullpup stock. That made it short and handy, but also made it harder to shoot accurately with. For my intended purposes, it's the perfect setup though.
From what I have heard:
Marlin Camp 9- Good carbine, but not seen everywhere. I don't know about mags.
Hipoint 995- Excellent Carbine for a good price ($150-200). Butt ugly, but ATI makes a stock that makes the Hipoint look like a Beretta Storm. 15 round mags available.
Beretta Storm CX-4- quite overpriced IMHO, but haven't heard anything bad about them. I have seen them at around $750. Way too much for me.
Keltec Sub-2000- Good carbine, cool feature of folding. Uses commonly available pistol mags. I'd get the one that uses Glock mags. Innovative.
Marlin Camp 9- Good carbine, but not seen everywhere. I don't know about mags.
Hipoint 995- Excellent Carbine for a good price ($150-200). Butt ugly, but ATI makes a stock that makes the Hipoint look like a Beretta Storm. 15 round mags available.
Beretta Storm CX-4- quite overpriced IMHO, but haven't heard anything bad about them. I have seen them at around $750. Way too much for me.
Keltec Sub-2000- Good carbine, cool feature of folding. Uses commonly available pistol mags. I'd get the one that uses Glock mags. Innovative.
Declaration Day
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A friend of mine has the Beretta CX4 Storm. I shot it once, and was quite impressed. Get it, if you can spare the cost.
I have the Kel-Tec Sub2000 9mm that takes Glock mags. I paid $265 for it but they're probably $350 now. I love the fold-in-half feature, but it does sacrifice ergonomics / comfort. Of all the 9mm carbines available, it may not be the cheapest, but it's easily the best value. I highly recommend it.
I have the Kel-Tec Sub2000 9mm that takes Glock mags. I paid $265 for it but they're probably $350 now. I love the fold-in-half feature, but it does sacrifice ergonomics / comfort. Of all the 9mm carbines available, it may not be the cheapest, but it's easily the best value. I highly recommend it.
SeNNebogen
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I like my Kel-Tech sub 2000 in 9mm (poor man's mp5). Ergonomics are lacking though, like others have said. My main gripe with it was the tiny amount of shoulder contact you had when you actually use the sights. I taped a flat Mauser metal butt plate to the end of the stock (low enough so I can still open it up and clean it) to extend the stock and increase the contact with my shoulder.
Its still more of a point shooter in my opinion,best bang for the buck though. And reliable.
Some company was kicking out PP-sh41s years ago. They had an etra long barrel shroud to bring them to the legal 16'' and that guy from Guns and Ammo I think did a review on them. I think it might of been Century Arms years ago.
Its still more of a point shooter in my opinion,best bang for the buck though. And reliable.
Some company was kicking out PP-sh41s years ago. They had an etra long barrel shroud to bring them to the legal 16'' and that guy from Guns and Ammo I think did a review on them. I think it might of been Century Arms
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Masterpiece Arms also makes a Mac-11 carbine in 9mm that takes sten mags, and uses AR-15 fore-ends.
ArfinGreebly
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9mm Carbine
I have the Marlin Camp 9 (S&W 69xx & 59xx mags).
Lovely rifle. Mine came with factory-installed "ballistic intuition" which makes it hit where you meant to hit even if you sight poorly. _
I also have the Beretta which, for some stupid reason, is still NIB and a virgin.
Friend of mine at work has the Hi Point 995 with red dot. Shoots minute-of-tin-can out to 200 yards.
I really wish they'd bring back the Marlin Camp Carbine series. Sweet and fun to shoot.
I imagine if you have a friendly 'smith and some bucks to blow, any of the 9mm carbines could be reworked to do the smaller calibre. I'm not sure what would have to be done for the extra 6mm length, though.
What are the ballistics like on the 7.62x25 from a long barrel?
I have the Marlin Camp 9 (S&W 69xx & 59xx mags).
Lovely rifle. Mine came with factory-installed "ballistic intuition" which makes it hit where you meant to hit even if you sight poorly. _
I also have the Beretta which, for some stupid reason, is still NIB and a virgin.
Friend of mine at work has the Hi Point 995 with red dot. Shoots minute-of-tin-can out to 200 yards.
I really wish they'd bring back the Marlin Camp Carbine series. Sweet and fun to shoot.
I imagine if you have a friendly 'smith and some bucks to blow, any of the 9mm carbines could be reworked to do the smaller calibre. I'm not sure what would have to be done for the extra 6mm length, though.
What are the ballistics like on the 7.62x25 from a long barrel?
chris in va
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Considering the standard Romanian stuff clocks in at about 1500fps or so, you can typically add 200fps with a longer barrel. The 9mm out of my HiPoint approaches 357 velocities.
Glockfan.45
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For defensive use if your going to use a rifle sized package you might as well use a rifle caliber. The only real selling point I can see in pistol caliber carbines is plinking/training. I have been considering a 9mm AR upper for that very reason. Its much cheaper to blast away 9mm all day than .223 or 5.56.
For defensive use, there are a couple small benefits. First off, is the quiet report. Same reason I prefer low pressure handgun rounds for self defense. Firing a rifle (or high pressure handgun) indoors is a *shocking* experience to say the least, and can be a major drawback in a self defense situation.
Secondly, they have very little recoil so it's fast and easy to put multiple rounds on target fast, even at longer ranges. Though an AR-15 can do this just as easily, at much farther distances.
I mostly have mine for fun, but I also figure it'd make a pretty good handout weapon to arm a less skilled friend or neighbor in a crisis. Easier to make hits with than a handgun.
Secondly, they have very little recoil so it's fast and easy to put multiple rounds on target fast, even at longer ranges. Though an AR-15 can do this just as easily, at much farther distances.
I mostly have mine for fun, but I also figure it'd make a pretty good handout weapon to arm a less skilled friend or neighbor in a crisis. Easier to make hits with than a handgun.
MassMark
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A 9mm Uzi, (or any carbine) loaded with GDHP +P or even WWB is very defensive-capable and goes a bit beyond being a "plinker"..... The Israelis were not dumb - they saw the utility of a 9mm SMG mixed in with their units. A 9mm carbine can serve a similar purpose - 16" barrel and all. No, it's not a SMG, but in trained hands, a 16" Uzi SA can be a formidable accessory to ones defense.
On the inexpensive side, Ruger PC-9. Takes common Ruger pistol mags, accurate, reliable.
Uzi is awesome and compact with the stock folded, but a little on the heavy side - it's all steel. SBR it and you've got a heck of a package.
PPSh weighs a friggin ton and the Tokarev round ain't exactly as common as the 9mm. I'd love to have one in full auto, but in semi it just doesn't make sense to me, for practical purposes. As a reproduction of one of the baddest SMGs ever made and as a showoff piece, it ought to be pretty cool though.
Uzi is awesome and compact with the stock folded, but a little on the heavy side - it's all steel. SBR it and you've got a heck of a package.
PPSh weighs a friggin ton and the Tokarev round ain't exactly as common as the 9mm. I'd love to have one in full auto, but in semi it just doesn't make sense to me, for practical purposes. As a reproduction of one of the baddest SMGs ever made and as a showoff piece, it ought to be pretty cool though.
HorseSoldier
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I've found the 9mm carbine to be pretty fun to shoot (not as fun as full-auto SMGs, but what can you do?), relatively cheap to shoot, and very good "gateway drug" kind of weapons for getting new shooters who may be reluctant about long guns to put some rounds through something besides a pistol. (I seem to be some sort of magnet for girlfriends who like shooting handguns but consider rifles/carbines/etc to be intimidating or otherwise non-fun . . . my Cx4 has cured this misperception a couple times.)
The 7.62x25 conversion would be cool, but be a complete PITA to make happen. Anything that had the magwell running through the pistol grip would be a non-starter, even if chambered for 45ACP, I think, due to the long OAL of the 7.62x25 round. Even something feeding from a seperate magwell would be tricky, as you'd probably have to cut on the receiver, find magazines that would work, etc.
Might be easier to try and sort out something like a 9x23 conversion for a carbine chambered in 45 ACP.
The 7.62x25 conversion would be cool, but be a complete PITA to make happen. Anything that had the magwell running through the pistol grip would be a non-starter, even if chambered for 45ACP, I think, due to the long OAL of the 7.62x25 round. Even something feeding from a seperate magwell would be tricky, as you'd probably have to cut on the receiver, find magazines that would work, etc.
Might be easier to try and sort out something like a 9x23 conversion for a carbine chambered in 45 ACP.
Glockfan.45
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I remember the first time I handled an UZI. I was shocked at how heavy it was.
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I am shocked to see no one at all mention the CX4 Storm. I have one in 40S&W and you are talking no recoil at all and very accurate. Buddy of mine shot mine at the range and actually walked out and they had one there for 9mm and he purchased it on the spot. For house defense or just plinking I think this is a great all around weapon you can even pick them up in 45ACP.
http://www.cx4storm.com/
And with the accessories to be had it makes it one mean looking, practical, fun weapon to own. The barrel Shroud is a must have.
http://www.cx4storm.com/
And with the accessories to be had it makes it one mean looking, practical, fun weapon to own. The barrel Shroud is a must have.
10-Ring
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I built an AR in 9mm recently -- in the last 7 weeks, I have almost 2000 rounds through it. LOTS o' FUN! ...and very reliable and accurate!
I don't know if it serves any real purpose other than the high fun factor
...and very reliable and accurate!I don't know if it serves any real purpose other than the high fun factor
boredelmo
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It was mentioned 4 times, for the record : ).
possum
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i have always wanted a 9mm ar like 10-ring's they are awesome, but you can also check out the berreta storms, you can get them where they take beretta 92 mags which are cheap and plentifull. i have had great experiences with the storms, i think they are a great design, and function great. one button disassembles the whole thing. fully ambi, lots of mods.
also the olympicarms pistol caliber carbines take glock mags, the 9mm models take sten mags but the other models take glock mags like the .40S&W models and others. that might be a good option, glock mags are cheap and reliable, and sten mags are even cheaper.
also the olympicarms pistol caliber carbines take glock mags, the 9mm models take sten mags but the other models take glock mags like the .40S&W models and others. that might be a good option, glock mags are cheap and reliable, and sten mags are even cheaper.
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