Shadow 7D
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How about the x25 .32 cal chamber adapters, I think I saw one for x39, 30.06 and 7.62 nato at sportsmansguide
Bolt-action Tokarev carbine?
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wnycollector
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http://www.mcace.com/adapters.htm sells .30 mauser to .308 and 30-06 chambeer adapters. The maker uses a 7.62x25 blank to make the .30 mauser adapter so firing tok ammo in one works just fine! I have three right now and plan on picking up two more when I get some extra $$$ so I will have a "5 shot" enfield 7.62 rifle
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I have a .32 ACP adaptor for my 30-06, It doesn't chamber on its own from the magazine and the .32 falls out easy.
wnycollector
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My MCA adapters load fine in a 1966 Ishapore enfield. I also have a .32 to .308 adapter that I picked up from sportsmansguide that allows the .32 to fall out.
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I would like to find a tokarev chamber adapter for my Mosins. I have the one that shoots 32 auto and 32 S&W but that ammo is more expensive than new production brass cased 7.62x54R.
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Thanks WNY, I'm gonna do that!
I'll have the first pump-action Remington Tokarev on my block!
I'll have the first pump-action Remington Tokarev on my block!
NCsmitty
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A Hi-point carbine so chambered would be a very fun gun, and should be a relatively easy conversion or better yet, an offering from the factory.
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What would a conversion like that entail?
NCsmitty
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I would guess a new barrel chambered for it, and possibly a heavier action spring than the 9mm Parabellum. The bolt should work as is, and the ejection port may need sculpting. I'm not sure about the magazine fit and feed issues.
Being a blowback action, it should be easier to clean after using corrosive ammo, than a gas operated action.
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Has this ever been attempted?
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I just posed this question to the guys over at Special Interest Arms (makers of the .45 ACP Enfield conversion mentioned earlier), and they had this to say:
"Sean,
Probably not practical from a time and return standpoint.
It would require many hours (days) to perfect, in addition to donor rifles, chamber reamer, head-space gauges, and other components.
Divided by how many buyers, at what price?
We get request for all sorts of conversions, no one ever seems willing to contribute funds or materials to upfront cost.
Show me a certainty of a decent return and we will be happy to pursue it."
I think this would make one heckuva decent target platform, and I would love to see it made. Anyone for drumming up some interest?
"Sean,
Probably not practical from a time and return standpoint.
It would require many hours (days) to perfect, in addition to donor rifles, chamber reamer, head-space gauges, and other components.
Divided by how many buyers, at what price?
We get request for all sorts of conversions, no one ever seems willing to contribute funds or materials to upfront cost.
Show me a certainty of a decent return and we will be happy to pursue it."
I think this would make one heckuva decent target platform, and I would love to see it made. Anyone for drumming up some interest?
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One, this thread is nearly a year old.
Two, tests have been done showing the 7.62x25 round doesn't gain any real velocity in a rifle-length barrel. It's heavily optimized for the original pistol it's fired in, and adding barrel length doesn't increase, or even decreases the velocity. The only thing you gain is accuracy.
Three, most people seem to be forgetting the Mosin Nagant as a donor rifle. It would need to be rebarreled or a chamber adapter fitted, BUT it headspaces on the bolt head, the bolt head is a small piece and is easily replaceable, and it already has the proper barrel diameter. Downside: it's optimized for a MUCH heavier bullet. Most handloaders find it shoots best with a 205-grain bullet, a far cry from the 95-grain bullet most commonly shot from the Tokarev. Can we say "overstabilized"?
Two, tests have been done showing the 7.62x25 round doesn't gain any real velocity in a rifle-length barrel. It's heavily optimized for the original pistol it's fired in, and adding barrel length doesn't increase, or even decreases the velocity. The only thing you gain is accuracy.
Three, most people seem to be forgetting the Mosin Nagant as a donor rifle. It would need to be rebarreled or a chamber adapter fitted, BUT it headspaces on the bolt head, the bolt head is a small piece and is easily replaceable, and it already has the proper barrel diameter. Downside: it's optimized for a MUCH heavier bullet. Most handloaders find it shoots best with a 205-grain bullet, a far cry from the 95-grain bullet most commonly shot from the Tokarev. Can we say "overstabilized"?
EngineerDude
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@WardenWolf:
Apologies for posting in an obsolete thread, but I suspected at least one or two people (if not more, hopefully) would still be watching it. Really didn't mean to upset the apple cart.
I'm not really looking for a performance boost from the round in terms of penetration/knock-down power, so any real change in velocity is a secondary objective at best. What I'd like is a nice, flat-firing weapon that shoots a very reasonably priced round fed by the same magazine I run in one of my handguns. That, and I just happen to like the idea - personal preference.
As for using the Nagant as a donor weapon: while a solid rifle, it would require far more modification than the kit already produced by SIA to get working - especially if one wished it to be fed by removable box magazine, as I had proposed.
Apologies for posting in an obsolete thread, but I suspected at least one or two people (if not more, hopefully) would still be watching it. Really didn't mean to upset the apple cart.
I'm not really looking for a performance boost from the round in terms of penetration/knock-down power, so any real change in velocity is a secondary objective at best. What I'd like is a nice, flat-firing weapon that shoots a very reasonably priced round fed by the same magazine I run in one of my handguns. That, and I just happen to like the idea - personal preference.
As for using the Nagant as a donor weapon: while a solid rifle, it would require far more modification than the kit already produced by SIA to get working - especially if one wished it to be fed by removable box magazine, as I had proposed.
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I know this thread is almost a year old but I don't get it either. I'm usually very positive on the oddball stuff that's done, "just because". I understand how folks just like an idea, regardless of what anyone else thinks but I don't understand doing it for the economy. The only ammo I see is $16-$25/50rds, making it double what cheap 9mm ammo is. None of the ammo I see would have any legitimate sporting purpose, as it's all FMJ. I guess I could understand it if there was an off-the-shelf rifle or a cheap conversion available. What I don't understand is spending a bunch of money on a custom gun, only to feed it cheap, corrosive ammo that will eventually dry up, if it hasn't already.
For sheer economics, spend the money on a Dillon SDB.
For sheer economics, spend the money on a Dillon SDB.
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Not spending a lot on this idea, if any (never do). Just hoping there was something I'd overlooked.
But even better, there's apparently a Polish remake of the PPsh out there (and I believe a Sterling Sten-alike that I don't know anything about). Anyone know these?
But even better, there's apparently a Polish remake of the PPsh out there (and I believe a Sterling Sten-alike that I don't know anything about). Anyone know these?
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