Bolt-action Tokarev carbine?

[Col. Plink]

Someday I would love to go plinkin' with a 7.62x25 carbine!

I know there are AR platform Tokarevs out there, but it seems like it would be a lot easier and cheaper to get a plain ol' rifle in 7.62x25mm. With ammo costs being what they are and the round being such a zippy little sucker, you'd think this would have been done by now or at least contemplated.

Anyone ever seen or made one? Thanks!

 

[rcmodel]

No doubt it could, and has been done.
However, I doubt you will see anything from the mainstream firearms manufactures.

Part of the problem is the 7.62x25 is neither fish nor fowl when it comes to bolt face/extractor size.

It is bigger then a .223 size case head, and smaller then a .308 size case head.
So any existing bolt action would require a special run of bolts & magazines to fit & feed them.

Plus, no big manufacture in todays legal world is going to build a gun based on an obsolete caliber, firing surplus corrosive ammo, of unknown quality or pressure.

And about the time they did, all the cheap surplus ammo would dry up and leave you with an orphan caliber that costs as much to shoot as every other centerfire rifle.

rc

 

[Col. Plink]

Hm, I guess the question would be how to have one made.

Is there a way to use a CZ-52, TT-33, or burp gun slide/bolt inside a receiver housing?

Anyone out there ever made a Tokarev carbine? Thanks!

 

[KodiakBeer]

Couldn't you rebarrel a 9mm Destroyer carbine? 9mm would have the same bolt face and extractor methinks...?

 

[Gord]

7.62 Tok to me makes the most sense in a tube feed - why let the potential capacity go to waste? You'd probably be able to get 15+ round capacity in a tube gun.

 

[Col. Plink]

Heard bad things about tube-loaded centerfires (though I can't verify).

What is a Destroyer 9mm carbine?

Anybody out there ever made a Tokarev carbine?

 

[fireman 9731]

Generally with tube fed centerfires you have to watch out for the recoil causing a pointed bullet to set off the primer in the cartridge in front of it causing train detonation and one BIG Kaboom.

I don't know if it would be a problem in 7.62x25 due to the light recoil and (maybe) less sensitive military primers.

 

[Col. Plink]

point well taken.

I guess bottom line is that I want a Russian burpgun but can't have one.

Seems like somebody out there's taken the guts from a TT-33 or CZ-52 and made a plinker... Anyone?

 

[dirtyjim]

there are also 7.62x25 destroyers

 

[Col. Plink]

What are they?? thanks!

 

[KodiakBeer]

The Destroyer was a 9mm carbine that the Spanish made for police and a bunch of them were imported some years ago. If, as DirtyJim suggests, there are 762x25 Destroyers also, then there's your rifle without any rebarreling to consider.

 

[R.W.Dale]

Forget the destroyer. They are cool but have serious issues for the NON Spanish steel collector

They're a very limited run HAND made in cottage industry Spanish police carbine. Spare Parts are Nonexistent, they're getting expensive (especally ones not in 9mm LARGO)and all the parts are hand fitted.

Savage's have been re barreled in x25 IIRC a .223 bolt face has enough free space to accommodate x25 cases, but such a setup will be a single shot proposition.

A more viable option (I cant believe I'm saying this) is a Contender/Encore which I believe you can get a custom shop bbl for.

But honestly I don't get the fascination. I've owned 7.62x25 chambered handguns and when you get right down to it they don't do anything a 9mm won't, During WWI Germany apparently agreed.

 

[wnycollector]

Destroyers are spanish police bolt actions that were clip fed 9mm largo ammo IIRC. Here is a link to a page that goes into great detail about destroyers http://www.9mmlargo.com/destroy/index.htm

I use a MCA Sports .308 to .30 mauser chamber adapter to shoot tok ammo through my Ishapore enfield. Here is a link for their products http://www.mcace.com/adapters.htm

 

[Ian]

There's a niche group of folks who make 7.62x25 AKs...I've had the parts for one for a while, but haven't gotten around to building it. A .32-20 lever gun would be interesting to think about converting.

 

[Kymasabe]

Dons Gun Shop in Ft. Myers, Fl. can build you a 7.62x25 Krink AK.

 

[Col. Plink]

I'd rather just have a plinker...

 

[Shadow 7D]

Actually I would think that a decent gunsmith would be able to rebarrel any 9mm carbine into an X25, or you could look at some of the brittish funny guns, like their bolt action AR's

 

[JJ Hiryuu]

Wiselite Arms can build you a semi-auto Sterling carbine in 7.62x25mm. I have one, and it converts back to 9mm with a barrel swap. Feeds from slightly modified sten mags for the 7.62x25mm. http://www.wlarms.com/

 

[wnycollector]

I'd rather just have a plinker...

Ishy enfield in 7.62x51 PLUS a couple MCA .308 to .30 mauser adapters = bolt action plinker for less than $350! Here is a link for an Ishy for $225 http://www.gunbroker.com/Auction/ViewItem.aspx?Item=175615745 and 5 chamber adapters (see the link in post #13) would be $100. And yes the adapters do feed just like ammo from the mag! I have one blue and two SS adapters for my Ishy and I essentially have a 3 shot plinker!

 

[wally]

But honestly I don't get the fascination. I've owned 7.62x25 chambered handguns and when you get right down to it they don't do anything a 9mm won't

Except shoot for <$0.10 per shot without having to reload your own! When the surplus dries up the guns will be mostly curios, but I figure my 7.62x25 upper is now "free" paid for with the price difference of shooting 7.62x25 vs 5.56.

 

[KodiakBeer]

They're a very limited run HAND made in cottage industry Spanish police carbine.

They were made for over 50 years by several companies. There may be some "HAND made" copies around somewhere, but the majority were made by the firm Ayra Duria.

Destroyers are spanish police bolt actions that were clip fed 9mm largo ammo IIRC.

They're a mini Mauser action, but are not clip fed like the Mauser. They are magazine fed. Most of them are 9mm Largo, but they were also produced in 9x19 Luger.

I haven't seen one in some years, but they are neat little rifles.

 

[cougar1717]

7.62x25 is just one of those false economies due to the ammo demand being so low. There is no way that I would have something custom built like this and then run corrosive, surplus ammo through it. A 22LR bolt action, 357mag lever gun, or M1 carbine fit this category of shooting well.

 

[Col. Plink]

"There is no way that I would have something custom built like this and then run corrosive, surplus ammo through it."

You're certainly welcome not to do so.

 

[wally]

7.62x25 is just one of those false economies due to the ammo demand being so low. There is no way that I would have something custom built like this and then run corrosive, surplus ammo through it.

My AR 7.62x25 upper begs to differ. As I said, its basically "free" now from the savings shooting surplus 7.62x25 vs 5.56. Its fantastic for 50-75 yard plinking and steel plate shooting!

Cleaning corrosive ammo is nowhere near the onerous task its made out to be. Hot water and Hoppe's is all you need -- around here, my garden hose sitting in the sun does the trick for the hot water! The parts are dry in the sun in a few minutes ready for a normal cleaning with Hoppe's.

If there is a place with more heat and humidity than Houston I don't want to ever be there! but I often shoot in the morning and clean in the evening (when its cooler) and no rust problems from letting things sit for 6-8 hours. I don't do anything immediately after shooting other than put the gun back in its carrying case.

 

[NG VI]

I can't believe I just saw Krochus reccomend a Contender to anyone for any reason.