9mm vs .40 Which is better?

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allaroundhunter said:
theQman23 said:
because honestly if and when I have to use lethal force, I don't want to be worrying about "well placed" shots and "follow up shots" I want to know that if I hit them, ANYWHERE, that hit will cause enough instantaneous shock, fear, and movement that I am safe and the assailant is incapacitated.
Um.....carrying a .45 ACP doesn't guarantee this....
Sure it does. Heck, I've read that if you ever hit a dude in the hand with a .45, the shock value to his system will make the dude crumble up into a ball. Especially true if you're using a "dum-dum" round, then you only have to hit a finger and the guy will turn completely inside out. No, wait, I don't think I read it. Maybe I heard it. Yeah, that's probably it. I heard it. In a movie. Must have been Lethal Weapon 3 when Riggs and Murtaugh are taking Leo to the hospital because he may have been hit by a dum-dum round. Good thing they gave him a proctological exam to make sure that cop-killer round didn't blow his ass off.
 
Obvious troll is obvious.

My personal preference is neither of those. Nothing beats a 12 gauge sawed-off shotgun carried IWB.
 
Sure it does. Heck, I've read that if you ever hit a dude in the hand with a .45, the shock value to his system will make the dude crumble up into a ball. Especially true if you're using a "dum-dum" round, then you only have to hit a finger and the guy will turn completely inside out. No, wait, I don't think I read it. Maybe I heard it. Yeah, that's probably it. I heard it. In a movie.

Wow....I feel like an idiot.....I don't catch sarcasm too well at midnight haha :eek:
 
My personal preference is neither of those. Nothing beats a 12 gauge sawed-off shotgun carried IWB.

Preferably in the appendix location using your naturally occuring support structures for the muzzle.

Chambered, naturally.
 
Ok guys, you got me there on semantics. I know that linquistically you could read that my writing implied hitting a man in the pinky toe with a 45 is going to stop him completely, and of course that's not what I meant. What I did mean is this.
If you hit a man in the belly or the clavicle, with a 9mm he may be able to hold his form and his momentum long enough to continue to accurately place shots against you. This has been seen in police and military video.
I'm not saying, again, not saying, that hitting a man in the belly or clavicle with a 40 or 45 will automatically stop him immediately, but studies do show, and video evidence does show, that those rounds are more effective one shot stoppers than 9mm.
If the lower cost of 9mm was a side issue, and 9mm were better man stoppers, than 75-80 percent of police would be carrying them. But they aren't. 75-80% of police are carrying .40, or 357 sig, and rarely but occassionally 45.
I'm sure you could find an officer out there still carrying the 38 special he trained with if he's now an elected sherriff somewhere, and that's good for him, but the majority of departments have figured out what is required, and what is the tactical advantage, and that doesn't seem to be 9mm.
 
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