9x18 sub for 9x19

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The shorter cartridge was properly called .45 Schofield and designed for then new top break S&W cavalry revolver. It was favorite handgun of train & bank robber Jesse James.
 
I recommend leaving the area when someone tries to hammer a 9mm Mak into a 9mm Luger chamber.

Jim
 
The shorter cartridge was properly called .45 Schofield and designed for then new top break S&W cavalry revolver. It was favorite handgun of train & bank robber Jesse James.
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The explanation that the .45 Schofield is the reason that people started calling .45 Colt .45 Long Colt has never made sense to me. If one cartridge is called the .45 Schofield and the other is the .45 Colt, where's the source of confusion? Those two names are NOT easily confused with each other.

Turns out, that's NOT the reason that people started calling the .45 Colt the .45 Long Colt. There was another short cartridge that was dimensionally different from the .45 Schofield and that was headstamped .45 Colt.

Elmer Keith mentions this short Colt cartridge in his book "Sixguns", and for those who think that Elmer may have been wrong, here's an article about the cartridge in question--including pictures of the box, cartridge and headstamp.

http://www.leverguns.com/articles/taylor/45_short_colt.htm

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You can shoot 45 GAP in any revolver chambered in 45 ACP using moon clips.
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I would not do it, as the 45 G.A.P pressure runs about 5,000psi higher than 45acp. I guess it would depend on the firearm :confused:
 
A lot of folks assume that since most .45 ACP solid frame revolvers are built on the same frames as the .44 Magnum revolvers from the same makers, .45 GAP should work. Sounds logical, which is why I would make a point of checking with the manufacturer.
 
Better than you know, MC. While we WERE just talking about a Taurus...I certainly learned a lot about ammo that I did not have much of an idea about.
While I ALWAYS have used only the ammo any gun was made for...now I (and many others who may or may not admit it) know specifically "WHY."
Just an observation...Guns seem to be like hot rods were back in the muscle car days of the '60s and '70s...There seems to be a tremendous amount of misinformation that circulates as truth, only it does it much faster with the "net."
"Sure...you can put that 454 in the Nova...it's easy. Same tranny and rear gears, too."

All that is to say...if I seem to ask stupid questions or start a thread that a bit goofy from time to time...I have long lived by the
rule that the only stupid question is the one that wasn't asked.
Ya don't know what ya don't know until yer faced with it. :scrutiny:
 
Carl N. Brown said:
.380 in 9mm Mak is another emergency-only substitution. I have racked the slide of a Makarov loaded with .380 and found the .380 round slipped off the extractor and remained in the barrel. Don't want to do that no more either.
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That would not happen in actual firing because 9x18 guns are pure blow-back actions, and the cartridge's own back pressure would extract it. The extractor is really only needed for manual extraction, not actual ejection.

.380 ACP in a 9x18 gun is perfectly safe and reliable, but not ideal or recommended. The .380 bullet is .357 diameter, whereas the 9x18 bullet is .362 diameter, making it slightly undersized. This can degrade accuracy some, but usually isn't enough to make a noticeable difference. Additionally, the shorter case length can result in excessive fouling at the front of the chamber, which will continue until it fills in the difference in case lengths.

Basically: No permanent damage will result, and the gun will work just fine but may be slightly less accurate. The excessive fouling can create problems if you switch back to 9x18, though, ranging from failure to go into battery to stuck cases until you clean it with a chamber brush.

You should never assume Eastern European ammo is the same external diameter as Western ammo. Eastern European stuff tends to be slightly oversized, often intentionally to prevent Western use of captured ammo while allowing the reverse, and sometimes operates at higher pressures.

So in response to the OP: Don't shoot 9x18 ammo in a Western 9mm handgun. The bullets are NOT the same, and you can cause excessive wear to your barrel or cause an overpressure scenario.
 
I really like my wife's Makarov. It used to be my gun, if that tells you anything. LOL.

Makarov brass is annoying. It is almost the same size as 9x19 brass. It fits right through the same screens when you're sorting brass. And it will size in 9x19 sizing dies, and then 9mm bullets will seat in them, since the cases taper down just like 9x19 brass. And then it will chamber in 9x19 chambers. But it won't usually fire, because the primer hit knocks it forward in the chamber, instead of setting it off.

Truly, annoying brass. :D
 
I have saved on my computer almost 600 scanned copies of old cartridge, shotshell and firearms catalogs starting in the late 1860's. Almost of them from the late 1880's up until WWI list a 28 gr loading of the .45 Colt cartridge. Unfortunately they do not list the cartridge length, but I suspect it is the shorter case referred in Taylor's article as the 28 gr powder loading is identical to both the Schofield and the Government loading's
 
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