A different way to hold an auto pistol

Gunfu_Blaster.45 said:
Theres only one correct way to hold a Glock that has a beveled trigger, it's the same no matter the size of the hand. Pad on the bevel, slide aligned with forearm. Simple. Even small hands can hold large frame glocks perfectly. Largest hands might be the most difficult. By doing that it eliminates low left shooting by making the trigger finger knuckle pivot outwards and remain naturally independent from the rest of the hand.
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With a beveled trigger there really is only one way to hold it, assuming the beveled trigger is being used. It kind of limits the hand position. Wether you hold ot right or wrong is a different issue. The only difference will be hand size that has more or less advantage on the hold. That hold is the same wether its one handed or two handed shooting. The thing is, two handed shooting might allow you to hold a Glock different, as long as you can handle the trigger blade digging in to the finger.
I dont claim that glock triggers or grip angles sucks. I didn't complain. Now I get it. It's a very simple hold.

Anyone having issues holding a Glock with a beveled trigger, forget what the so called professionals tell you, make use of the bevel, it's there for a reason. There will always be those who hate the Glock so much that they wont give it credit for its differences. The information is out there, just gotta work hard on finding it. It's pre internet mostly, anything online will be ridiculed or removed. Much of it will be pushed towards getting deleted. Quite possible this comment will be deleted, so I have to be careful what I say.
 
Gunfu_Blaster.45 said:
Anyone having issues holding a Glock with a beveled trigger, forget what the so called professionals tell you, make use of the bevel, it's there for a reason. There will always be those who hate the Glock so much that they wont give it credit for its differences. The information is out there, just gotta work hard on finding it. It's pre internet mostly, anything online will be ridiculed or removed. Much of it will be pushed towards getting deleted. Quite possible this comment will be deleted, so I have to be careful what I say.
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WHERE is it stated that "it's there for a reason"?

This "gotta work hard on finding it" is lame. This is your supposition, not ours, and the fact that it may be "pre internet" doesn't cut it. If it's in a design principle, then find it and show us. "Seeing is believing."

And who is going to "ridicule" or "remove" anything that Glock themselves would make statements about? If this is just another supposition people have come up with, sure...I would expect it to be given as much or as little credence as any of the other piles of Glock postings people generate out there.

Take the time to find this information and post it. We'll be waiting here, whether we're Glock fans or not.
 
I would really like to know how people grip their beveled trigger glocks. I showed my grip, which I'm not taking credit for. I give credit to the original hombre that designed the damned thing. If he's even a real person.
 
I hold it like I would any autopistol of reasonable size. Strong hand as high on the grip as possible with the muzzle lined up with the bones of the forearm. Support hand placed with the fingers wrapped around the fingers of the strong hand and the heel of the palm and the thumb on the support hand side of the grip, filling the area on the gun that is left exposed by the strong hand. Strong hand thumb pointed towards the muzzle on the side of the gun. Support hand pointed towards the muzzle below the strong hand thumb but angling slightly upwards so that the pad of the thumb rests on the left hand slide lock (disassembly lever). Trigger finger placement is very nearly identical to what you show in your post #45.
 
JohnKSa said:
I hold it like I would any autopistol of reasonable size. Strong hand as high on the grip as possible with the muzzle lined up with the bones of the forearm. Support hand placed with the fingers wrapped around the fingers of the strong hand and the heel of the palm and the thumb on the support hand side of the grip, filling the area on the gun that is left exposed by the strong hand. Strong hand thumb pointed towards the muzzle on the side of the gun. Support hand pointed towards the muzzle below the strong hand thumb but angling slightly upwards so that the pad of the thumb rests on the left hand slide lock (disassembly lever). Trigger finger placement is very nearly identical to what you show in your post #45.
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Yup thats how I am saying it should be held. Most importantly being the trigger finger placement on the bevel because that can cause the low left shooting if not done correctly. With your muzzle lined up with the bones of your forearm the backstrap is placed well in the palm with the grip angle and the grip bulge(or swell) filling the palm to allow a good purchase wether you are using a support hand or not. That will allow maximum control of one handed shooting with minimal effort or strain while also allowing a good trigger pull without jerking for maximum accuracy.
Now with the support hand in place we can achieve faster follow up shots.
The bad thing is when people pull straight back on the trigger. The ones who complain about the blade hurting their finger. Usually they might have trouble with the heavy pull for whatever reason, short fingers, weak fingers. They alleviate that by getting more leverage on the trigger. People with long fingers dont have trouble with the heavy pull, but they are using their leverage to pull incorrectly. The way I see it, if the blade is hurting you, you are not pulling correctly. A side effect of just that is low left shooting. Over leverage of the trigger pulls the palm away from the grip.
Like the following. I did not exaggerate either.
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When people have to pull this way, the remedy is to use a minus (-) connector which is literally a lever for you so that proper finger placement is not sacrificed. However, for whatever reason, people think changing this is taboo. It is an offer by Glock for a reason and the reason is not to make you a more efficient killer. Its to make those with unique hands capable of safely using the Glock firearm. That's my argument, anyways.
This is proper.
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And when pulled. PXL_20231011_173544909.jpg PXL_20231011_173552629~3.jpg
If you dont believe me just take 1 minute to see for yourself. If you cant pull the trigger this was, cheat it, then place the finger on it the way it would be and see where you grip will be if that were so.
Otherwise, any other grip that you can come up with might leave you with something to not like. Straining, pain, or just plain preferring other guns. Thats how I was for a long time because my fingers are short for my sized hand.
I almost got rid of my Glock, I would have been on the same boat as most saying that the trigger sucks. Now I really like it, I even increased the firing pin spring strength. There is still a pronounced wall there. Since I still have low leverage fingers it feels like a normal trigger to me as a regular connector feels to people that have no issue with it.
So I said before, the largest hands will have issues with the trigger as well because of over reach and incorrect placement on the trigger. Glock makes everything for a reason and the Gen 4 added back straps were designed to alleviate that, for correct placement of the trigger finger.
 
While the rest of you all are debating the "one correct way" to hold a Glock and pull the trigger, I will be over here with my CZ pistols, pulling the trigger with the first knuckle of my right index finger, which if you do it with a Glock, feels kind of funny because of the "trigger dingus," but that doesn't mean you can't shoot them that way.
 
jrmiddleton425 said:
While the rest of you all are debating the "one correct way" to hold a Glock and pull the trigger, I will be over here with my CZ pistols, pulling the trigger with the first knuckle of my right index finger, which if you do it with a Glock, feels kind of funny because of the "trigger dingus," but that doesn't mean you can't shoot them that way.
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I used to do it that way. It worked. However for one handed shooting I had little control.
 
jrmiddleton425 said:
While the rest of you all are debating the "one correct way" to hold a Glock and pull the trigger, I will be over here with my CZ pistols, pulling the trigger with the first knuckle of my right index finger, which if you do it with a Glock, feels kind of funny because of the "trigger dingus," but that doesn't mean you can't shoot them that way.
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That is the way I pull a trigger. I use the crease in my finger behind my knuckle. With some smaller guns I use the middle part of my finger in between the creases. It works better for me than trying to contort to get my fingertip on the trigger.
Edited to Add: I do that with just about any pistol.
 
Bulletski said:
It never ceases to amaze me how many people hold and are taught to hold an auto pistol with the fingers of the support hand wrapped around the fingers of the gun hand.
When I took the CCP course some years ago, the instructor who had been in some kind of military Ranger unit showed us that the support hand was to be held flat and the gun hand to be placed on top of it.
He used the analogy of a baseball mit with the gun hand being the ball.

I've used this method since then and find it to be much better than the conventional way which doesn't really support the gun hand but just holds onto it. In his way, the support hand takes weight off of the gun hand, and to me is a lot more comfortable and practical.
Another practical aspect of his way is that it keeps the thumb of the support hand away from the slide. I see so many pictures using the "conventional" way where the thumb is sticking up next to the slide which can come in contact with the slide when the gun is fired resulting in "slide bite" which isn't fun.

Anyway, if anyone wants to chime in on this
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I have no doubt that works well. However,
Bulletski said:
It never ceases to amaze me how many people hold and are taught to hold an auto pistol with the fingers of the support hand wrapped around the fingers of the gun hand.
When I took the CCP course some years ago, the instructor who had been in some kind of military Ranger unit showed us that the support hand was to be held flat and the gun hand to be placed on top of it.
He used the analogy of a baseball mit with the gun hand being the ball.

I've used this method since then and find it to be much better than the conventional way which doesn't really support the gun hand but just holds onto it. In his way, the support hand takes weight off of the gun hand, and to me is a lot more comfortable and practical.
Another practical aspect of his way is that it keeps the thumb of the support hand away from the slide. I see so many pictures using the "conventional" way where the thumb is sticking up next to the slide which can come in contact with the slide when the gun is fired resulting in "slide bite" which isn't fun.

Anyway, if anyone wants to chime in on this
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The issue I would have is transitioning to one hand. Then to either left or right. I prefer to have immediate one hand operation ability when needed. I can also go left hand and to weak hand with support with ease if I have to fire from cover around either side. Just my preference.
 
The only way that a trigger feels "right" to me is to put the crease in my finger on it. Putting the pad on it feels wrong, and has, no matter what gun I'm shooting, since I started shooting in 1977. I have had a couple of triggers that sliced up the crease, and those either went away, or had some dremeling to take off the edges. The one in my avatar was the most recent one that needed the edge broke on it. It literally took aout 1 minute to fix. I had one of those Hungarian S&W type guns back 35 years ago, and after I shot a mag through it, blood was all over the trigger guard and front of the grip area. That gun was crunchy inside anyway, and I spent a lot of time polishing and cleaning aluminum and steel filings out of it. A neighbor shot it after it was done and instantly wanted to buy it. Goodbye!
 
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