A group of men threatend to Sodomize me tonight.

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vis-à-vis, I'm glad this turned out okay for you. This reminded me of the time when I was about twelve (1984-1985) when two guys jumped out of their El Camino and ran after me. It was dark and I had just rode my BMX down to the convenience store to get a magazine (probably Soldier of Fortune :D ). I had started for home with the magazine rolled up under my arm.

Our house was on a corner lot and I had just turned onto the side street when I noticed the car ahead of me was barely moving. I slowed down to match the speed of the car. I had planned on turning into my driveway (off of the side street) once the car passed it. When the car was about ten feet past my driveway four things happened instantly. The brake lights came on, the reverse lights flashed, both doors opened and two men started running for me.

If I had time to react I would have turned around and headed back to the convenience store. There were at least three different routes I could use to loose someone who was now on foot. Instead I bolted for my driveway, rode through the side yard and headed for the front door of the house. When I glanced over my shoulder I realized that one of the men was running right behind me....through MY front yard. I did what most twelve year old boys would do in that situation. I started to scream like a twelve year old girl. :D

I still don't remember how I did it but when I reached the front steps to the house I managed to leap from my bicycle to the steps. I was pounding on the front door for my mother to let me inside all the while screaming bloody murder. I guess when the men realized this was my house they decided to get out of dodge. When the door opened my fear instantly turned to rage (such as it is for a twelve year old anyway). I was explaining to my mother what happened while I was running for my bedroom.

I retrieved the machete from under my bed (no guns in the house), slipped past my mother who was probably in shock at this point and headed out the front door into the night. This was probably one of the dumber things I did as a child. I could see the El Camino at the end of our street turning onto the highway. I retrieved my magazine and went back inside. My mother made the mistake of not calling the police.

I still get chills when I think back to that night. I had not invoked this attack in any way. I was simply riding my bicycle back from the store. I wonder if they had planned to put my bike in the bed of the El Camino while they held me in the cab. I wonder what my fate would have been if they had run just a bit faster. I regret that my mother didn't call the sheriff. If I had know better I would have called him myself. I hate to think that someone else might have suffered because this was not reported.

As was suggested earlier I would also suggest that you start riding a bike. Do the busses in your area have bike carriers? I would also suggest that a weapon of some kind could be hidden on the bike. I would not suggest leaving a firearm on the bike however. Certain bike accessories can also be used as improvised weapons. I remember fending off a dog attack using a big u-shaped bike lock that I kept in a holder on the frame of my mountain bike.

Good luck to you.
 
ilcylic said: Jeets: Airsoft works pretty well for that sort of martial arts training. Well, and racquetball goggles.

But I think you might be surprised, especially if the MA guy is within 21 feet of you.

Ask Correia about it.

ilcylic, Jeets is one of our Role Players at the NTI, and during monthly Study Group. He's seen more folks who thought they were a badass try all sorts of tricks on him lose than be successful. He doesn't need to try it with Airsoft. We use Simunitions.

Martial arts work when they work. And when they don't, they really don't. The committed and hyper-violent aggressor won't be dissuaded by those fighting forms of physical contact. He's probably experienced worse in his life, and has learned to work through it.
 
SLC has signs posted
IAD does as well.
DCA I think has signs.
Just because the airport posts "no CCW" signs does not mean the airport can enforce it.

In Oregon, places any government can enforce no carry are specifically listed, and government owned airports are not on the list. PDX stills has the signs up, and their cops have threatened to arrest people for CCW, but they will just get sued for their efforts.



I personally will not work in such an environment, or in a victim disarmament state.

My life is more important to me than a few dollars pay.
 
vis-à-vis:

Just following up to see how you're doing. Any further issues? Been keeping you in my prayers! Will continue to do so.

Doc2005
 
Hello Vis...

That situation sucks, out in the open nothing to improvise a weapon out of. Not turning your back and holding ground brought you through it good for you.

FWIW Something to think about....

Based on your transportation situation/and inability to carry ccw. I think I'd carry a skateboard :confused: for use between the bus stop and your work area.

Reason is this UPS/Airport should accept this as part of you transportation option meaning they would more than likely not see this a a threat.And, the bus drivers wouldnt give it a second look either. However, a skateboard can become an effective blunt force trauma weapon if needed.;)

Another couple of things to consider.
*Wear a belt with a well built buckle, makes an effective slungo'
*Steel toed work boots. protects your toes from falling boxes
*Carry a rolled up magazine in your hip pocket. When you leave for work/return home load up the center of that magazine with quarters (your snack money) when carried as such it makes a great weapon. Unroll it when you arrive at work..
*Another item to consider is a leather coin wallet/ "pouch" to carry coins in . They can be found on the net. Its a coin pouch with enough bag closure material to grasp onto and turn it into a sap. $3.00 in case change can rattle a persons day.
* I believe others have mentioned a small flashlight, blinding/and yawara.
*There is a company that makes a great ink pen with the body being made from thick aluminum great Yawara expensive though cant remeber the brand name sorry.
*And a final item to consider is carry one of those worthless type credit cards/mebership cards yada yada. In your front shirt pocket, when grasped firmly it makes a serious slashing weapon to the face and neck area.

What I'm trying to say when you can't carry ccw legally, then improvise with what is available and unsuspecting.. Anything that can give you an advantage no matter how slight.

Peace
Steel Talon:cool:
 
Hey Doc,

I appreciate your prayers, Brother. I am fine, but I have much more street apprehension now. I view everyone as a threat whereas before I didn't mind talking to anyone who was not acting goofy. This is not so much a problem from a safety stand point, but it is a problem for a man who is a Christian and wants to share the gospel and have charity and/or just plain ol' make some friends. There was a balance which I had that has now vanished. I am sure I will strike that balance again in time.

As far as skateboards etc, you have to realize where I work. I work in a place that has high security and loss prevention. I do not believe it to be a specific rule at my facility, but I doubt security would let me in or out with it. For example, I have seen them send people away who have those cowboy belt buckles for this type of reason. The same with flashlights. I am going to begin taking OC anyways and stash it in a bush just before the gate. If someone takes it (obviously thinking they have 'found' it) more power to their defense.
 
Don't back down, don't escalate!

<<On the way to work a group of black men (aged approx. 23-27) in a brand new silver Lexus pulled up along side me and threatened to sodomize me.

I must admit that I was rather shaken after this encounter. It was a scary thing to have 5 people threaten to rape you and call you a "mother ######" for no good reason. What else might they do? I had no reason not believe them incapable of anything.>>

The most important thing is that you are fine and safe. You done good!

These guys in a group are just running around the world with a chip on their shoulder. They were looking for a weaker victim who would allow them to intimidate him. Had you backed down, you would have been branded a target.

Not backing down, but not escalating is the best thing to do. You do not look for trouble but do not show weakness. That is the most intelligent thing.

As for those guys, you can rest assured that unless they learn to get along by society's rules, they will not ever amount to much in life. Life can be very cruel, and you can be that if these guys carry on like the way they do, they will feel the business end of a baton sooner rather than later!
 
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So what does race have to do with this?

Hmmm, maybe he shouldn't have mentioned that they were male either.

My thoughts exactly. Part of the problem with society is people who go about looking for reasons to yell fire when there is none. Being descriptive in telling a story involves including the details. Him stating that the car was occupied by black males sure tells me a lot more about the incident than him stating that the car was occupied by some random people.

Sorry to disapoint you Tecumseh, but I doubt your going to find any room to play the race card here in this story :p .
 
Man, that story makes me glad that my firm has NO policy concerning weapons. I carry every day. Two guns, knife, and kubaton with spray. I used to work at a firm that did not allow carry. I carried anyway. It's my life, and I have to go home and support my family every day. If something happens to you, is the CEO of UPS going to step in and fill your shoes for you family? I should think not. Time for a new job, my friend.
 
As far as skateboards etc, you have to realize where I work. I work in a place that has high security and loss prevention. I do not believe it to be a specific rule at my facility, but I doubt security would let me in or out with it. For example, I have seen them send people away who have those cowboy belt buckles for this type of reason. The same with flashlights. I am going to begin taking OC anyways and stash it in a bush just before the gate. If someone takes it (obviously thinking they have 'found' it) more power to their defense.

Hello Vis..

My suggestions is too only stimulate thinking outside of the box..Identifying those items that can give you an edge that others mistake as a daily necessity /routine/innocent things. Nothing ventured nothing gained...

As for a buckle notice I didnt say the large style Cowboy Buckles What I said was a well built buckle There are dress belt style and daily belt buckles out there that do not fit the "weapon" profile of a BIG COWBOY buckle....But will crack a coconut.:evil:

I like your idea of tucking away some OC spray outside of your work facility..Excellent! Just remember the wind direction when you practice targeting with it;) Stash a flashlight along with it.

Best of Karma to you always.
Peace
Steel Talon:cool:
 
Probably just teens f'ing with you. You can't be too careful and mob mentality can find teens beating a man to death, too.

MOST corporations enforce a no CCW rule. I've got a permit but am an engineer at a TV station. Good money, fun job, great security for the family, but no CCW on the job. Your situation is not unusual. The only difference is that most (US) commuters have a vehicle to stash darn near whatever you need.

Public transit commuters have it tougher. The State of MO had a specific exemption to concealed carry that disallowed carry on any public transit bus or rail.

What would I do? Well, carry a man-purse, for one. In it stash some pepper spray. Not this little canister but one of the big ol' bear sprays that shoot 30-40 feet and incapacitate the heck out of the assailant. If you can't get that past the airport areas you work, do a cane. The Cold Steel (in general, I think their stuff is poor quality - they don't manufacture anything, all is farmed out to other companies, but the canes are good) City Stick. A mild limp and the threat of the ADA is usually enough to keep airport security and employers off your back.

http://csstoreonline.stores.yahoo.net/citystick.html

Alternately, I don't know if you could get by with it but one of the sjamboks are supposed to be wickedly painful.
http://csstoreonline.stores.yahoo.net/citystick.html

Other posters are right - get some training and remember that flight is an acceptable, though uncomfortable at times, alternative. A guy in decent shape can lose a car in most urban areas and the thugs are happy. "Cool! We made him run!"

Good luck, bro!
 
I am glad to know that you are alright . This is tough situation you are in. I think the bicycle might be a good option for you because it will allow you to flee much faster and into area where the car can not go . You might consider get yourself a nunchuck .It is very effective weapon against multiple opponent and you can canceal it on the frame of the bike ( put it in the case and valco tape it on the bike -it look just like the air pump) .During my high school year I worked late at night so I carried my nanchuck in the back pack and took it out and tuck it in behind my back and rode my bike home. A person riding bicycle does not arouse any suspicious that he carried the weapon and to illustrate my point when I stationed at Ft.Hood , TX the Provost marshall really cracked down on weapons in the vehicle ,the MP actually targetting the unregistered weapon of any kind. I would draw my privately owned M1 Garand , SKS and M1 Carbine and ride my bike to the range but I did not want the MP to stop me every 5 minutes checking my registration paper and CO permission if I slung my rifle on my back while riding the bike so what I did was to put my rifle in the duffle back and tied it on the frame of my bike and ride to the range and the MP left me alone (except a few of them who considered my folding bike to be too slow and blocking the traffic and yell at me to get off the road ). My point is that the bicycle has multiple applications that might served your need until you can find the appropiate solution to your problem. Nanchuck is not illegal in Kentucky , I think .Only few places that the Nanchuck is illegal is in Germany( I stationed there too and the matrial art store owner there told me ), and California (then again everything in California is illegal) .Good luck
 
This happened to a friend of mine by a group of 'Bloods' in L.A. He smiled, pretended he was deaf, started to mumble, and use make up sign language. They left him alone.

It's useful sometimes. I took sign language in college, and use it on the cell phone booth guys at the mall (or anyone else I want to avoid) all the time.

The trick is to not make eye contact unless they've waved at you or otherwise made a visible gesture.
 
California (then again everything in California is illegal)

I'm from CA, so can vouch for this. Sword canes, switchblades, belt blades, anything that looks like something else that's really a knife, sjamboks, any kind of short baton, or koga-type objects are all pretty much illegal.

Rule of thumb, if you can use it to legitimately defend yourself: illegal.

Pepper spray and some of the tazer devices are the exception, but I think there's a move currently to outlaw tazers as well.
 
Take it seriously, male rape is on the rise, especially in situations like you noted. Once raped they know almost 100% of young male victims, who are also robbed and beaten will never go to LE out of shame. Makes it a perfect crime.
 
Sandy 4570, TERRIBLE advice

nunchucks are a felony in CA!!

A good folder even the large ones are legal as well as pepperspray.

Once in SF a group of guys were trying to stare me down, one of them threatened to blank me up.
I asked "how much do you charge"? and all his friends started laughing at him
 
I did not say anything back to them. I backed up and refused to turn my back to them hoping they would drive off, which they did.

Seeing how they had declared their intentions on your buttocks region, backing up seems like a good strategy.:)
 
Reading all this analysis of what you can not carry in CA seems to indicate that the best weapon is the proceeds of the sale of your house, other liquidated possessions and savings in a money belt, sitting in a small economical car with the trunk and back seat loaded with anything you can not bear to part with, and watching the setting California sun in your rearview mirror.
 
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