Like Lucky Derby said I have also heard of it with cars. Twice in fact. Once was the car that a buddy bought off the floor got somewhere around 60 miles per gallon( in 1995) had the car for about 2 weeks suits showed up and harrased until he gave in and gave it back. The other was a guy never noticed anything about the car being off til the calls came in and he then found out the governer didnt get applied right and where it should cut back at 98 he was able to get nearly twice that. He wouldnt return it til the courts got involved.
A One-off, factory mistake??
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Sorry to take this off topic, but I have to call BS on the car stories. If one of the major car companies introduced a car that got 60 mpg, they would sell the crap out of it.
Also, if I bought a car off of the showroom floor and some dude in a suit came to take it back, I would contact the media and expose the whole scenario. The whole thing sounds fishy.
BTW to the OP, good luck getting your situation resolved.
Also, if I bought a car off of the showroom floor and some dude in a suit came to take it back, I would contact the media and expose the whole scenario. The whole thing sounds fishy.
BTW to the OP, good luck getting your situation resolved.
Zanad
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so, what are you going to do?
windsor311
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Whats that??? You don't believe that four guys in suits waited outside a guys home for him to come back and offered him ANY OTHER CAR on the lot??? LOL......
I'm with you, the car stories sure sound like B.S. I could be wrong and usually am.
Fishslayer
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My guess would be a prototype of some sort.
The serial number thing sounds screwy, tho...
For a VP to get involved over a simple shipping mixup or someone getting a gun half price doesn't sound right.
As far as value, S&W has made quite a few goofs over the years, such as wrong roll stamps, barrels, whatnot. Doesn't really add any significant value.
The serial number thing sounds screwy, tho...
For a VP to get involved over a simple shipping mixup or someone getting a gun half price doesn't sound right.
As far as value, S&W has made quite a few goofs over the years, such as wrong roll stamps, barrels, whatnot. Doesn't really add any significant value.
armoredman
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The serial number thing is what blows thier story away. If this frame belongs to someone else, then they CAN'T send you a frame with the SAME serial as the one going to the other guy, I do believe that would be illegal. Something else going on here.
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Tell STi that you want it in writing.
CraigC
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Correct. The first frame would have to be destroyed before the serial number could be restamped on a new frame. IIRC, with appropriate paperwork submitted. Which sounds like more trouble than it's worth.
bcp280z
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I don't get it, still a noob maybe so I don't care for serial numbers and such, if they have the exact same part they want to switch with you, why do they need yours? It's odd he's hounding you, in a way, a call a day might be considered harassment. This and the car thing sounds sketchy, I'm not a conspiracy theorist but just for fun, maybe take it to someone for an appraisal or so.
I wondered if I was the only one that thought the car stories were BS. Why would a car company spend millions upon millions of dollars cutting weight and trying to get the mileage up to gov standards and then sit on a car that surpasses the gov standards? Why would they constantly make the cars lighter and less safe if they already have twice the gov standards for fuel economy? Nevermind the possiblity of lawsuits everytime you make a car ligher and less safe. None of this makes any sense but then again there's a lot of conspiracy theories that regularly make the rounds.
Finally why would this super secret car end up on a car lot?
I hope you can let us know what the final result was with this gun. I wonder if it's expected to be valuable because it's not going into production or if it's suspected to be unsafe for some reason. If it's the safety thing I would expect a company to just come out and tell you to send it back. Recalls happen all of the time. I can't imagine it could be anything other than a rare gun or a safety issue.
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The Only Other Thing I Would Do..
The only other thing I would do is to have them send your lawyer a Notarized letter (on company letterhead), stating the situation.. and what they're going to do in return to remedy the situation. This way, by you using a attorney, they're "put on notice" (so to speak), that any funny business they try to pull isn't very likely to happen.
Single Action Six
The only other thing I would do is to have them send your lawyer a Notarized letter (on company letterhead), stating the situation.. and what they're going to do in return to remedy the situation. This way, by you using a attorney, they're "put on notice" (so to speak), that any funny business they try to pull isn't very likely to happen.
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Money talks, I'd ask them what they are worth to get them back.
Alchymist
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Just MHO, but if I were the OP, that gun would be in a safe deposit box until fully resolved! Just saying..... 
UPDATE:
They called again,, asked what was the issue with the gun, the rep didn't know. told them to stop calling, etc, that if they really want the gun back as bad as they seem to, then to make their best offer. otherwise, stop calling.
so negotiations are open,, or maybe gunbroker,, we'll see. I'm happy with the weapon, shoots fine. I'll update.
They called again,, asked what was the issue with the gun, the rep didn't know. told them to stop calling, etc, that if they really want the gun back as bad as they seem to, then to make their best offer. otherwise, stop calling.
so negotiations are open,, or maybe gunbroker,, we'll see. I'm happy with the weapon, shoots fine. I'll update.
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SwampWolf
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I fifth that motion.
Remo223
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I'd say its someone else's gun. Probably sent in for some custom work or accurizing. I seriously doubt they would go to all this trouble over an accessory rail that wasn't supposed to be there. The part about giving you an identical frame with the same serial number is most likely a lie just to get you to send it in.
Motodeficient
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Interesting read, keep us updated
CraigC
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At this point, I have to agree. However, they should've been truthful about it from the start but the paperwork damage has already been done. They've already transferred another's frame to a dealer, which was then transferred to you. They need to bite the bullet and handle it on their end, instead of harrassing you because of their mistake. One issue on their end is that they cannot issue a replacement and send it directly to the other customer because their old gun still exists and is your hands.
Remo223
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I think they already did issue a replacement. That's why they are so anxious to get the frame back...because they need to destroy it before it causes a problem.
the "other person's gun" thought came to mind, however, I discount that because of the following reasons:
1: ordered the weapon from the company directly, as part of a package deal offered to LEO's, so it is "new".
2: the package deal is specific. It has my organizations 'everything' on it, i.e. logos, color, eching, etc. Therefore a specialty item, plus the fact that I'm likely in a small group that ordered it in 45 cal. As posted earlier, we get 40 ammo for training and qualifications. A LOT of the guys just do not want to buy ammo, so they tend to only buy 40 cal pistols.
3: ordered it in Sep '10, got it Mar '11. That's a long time to wait,, so I did what most people would do, give it some time, then call and find out what's going on. Got a general idea of when they would start/started making it.
4: so I was waiting 6-7 months for the dang thing. I did what everyone else would do,,,,, look it over look it over look it overrrrrrrrrr, eye bang it, fondle it, talk dirty to it, so forth (u know, the usual stuff). I also have 10 yrs prior mil service so I did the whole "inspect all - for all, before signing for it" thing,,,,, I can't help it. It looked new, no dings, no scratches, etc.
5: I still have this email from one of their reps, "... the single stack WITHOUT light rail, however, the factory has made them WITH light rails. If you would like to take the option with the light rail (no extra cost) we ..." blah blah blah
6: Plus, could you imagine how cheap/shady/unprofessional it is to take a used major component, clean it up, paint it, pass it of to a different customer as "new"? I'm not saying that doesn't happen, I hope it doesn't, but I'm sure it has. But somewhere along that line, someone would've said something. Or QC should've.
7: something else, I forgot for now...
So I don't think it's a used peice from someone's repair/refit/etc
1: ordered the weapon from the company directly, as part of a package deal offered to LEO's, so it is "new".
2: the package deal is specific. It has my organizations 'everything' on it, i.e. logos, color, eching, etc. Therefore a specialty item, plus the fact that I'm likely in a small group that ordered it in 45 cal. As posted earlier, we get 40 ammo for training and qualifications. A LOT of the guys just do not want to buy ammo, so they tend to only buy 40 cal pistols.
3: ordered it in Sep '10, got it Mar '11. That's a long time to wait,, so I did what most people would do, give it some time, then call and find out what's going on. Got a general idea of when they would start/started making it.
4: so I was waiting 6-7 months for the dang thing. I did what everyone else would do,,,,, look it over look it over look it overrrrrrrrrr, eye bang it, fondle it, talk dirty to it, so forth (u know, the usual stuff). I also have 10 yrs prior mil service so I did the whole "inspect all - for all, before signing for it" thing,,,,, I can't help it. It looked new, no dings, no scratches, etc.
5: I still have this email from one of their reps, "... the single stack WITHOUT light rail, however, the factory has made them WITH light rails. If you would like to take the option with the light rail (no extra cost) we ..." blah blah blah
6: Plus, could you imagine how cheap/shady/unprofessional it is to take a used major component, clean it up, paint it, pass it of to a different customer as "new"? I'm not saying that doesn't happen, I hope it doesn't, but I'm sure it has. But somewhere along that line, someone would've said something. Or QC should've.
7: something else, I forgot for now...
So I don't think it's a used peice from someone's repair/refit/etc
Toforo
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Well then................
Since the story has now "leaked" (including the manufacturer) and it's all above board so to speak -
Howz'about a pic of your newly acquired gun that has your organizations 'everything' on it, i.e. logos, color, eching, etc -
I bet it's a REAL looker!!!
Since the story has now "leaked" (including the manufacturer) and it's all above board so to speak -
Howz'about a pic of your newly acquired gun that has your organizations 'everything' on it, i.e. logos, color, eching, etc -
I bet it's a REAL looker!!!
Sheepdog1968
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Have them send you the new frame first with the agreed upon rail. After you recieve the new rail, you can send back the one they have been begging for.
i had sort of a similar issue with one of the 'custom' makers back about 10 years ago.
I ordered a pistol that mixed a fullsized frame with a compact slide, which was at the time, not a product the company made. I also ordered it in a color that was non-standard. it was about a $2000 pistol at the time. i ordered it through a kitchen-table FFL who was a LEO and just trying to make some money on the side.
anyway, after a year of jerking me around on this project and still not finishing the gun, i happened to walk into a local gun shop that was a major dealer of this manufacturer, and to my surprise, saw my gun sitting there on the shelf. they later made my model a standard item, although in a different color. I was pretty irritated.
I could never get them to come clean about what happened, but my guess is taht they sort of fell out with the LEO and then called their big dealer friend and said they had a spare pistol if they were interested.
I ordered a pistol that mixed a fullsized frame with a compact slide, which was at the time, not a product the company made. I also ordered it in a color that was non-standard. it was about a $2000 pistol at the time. i ordered it through a kitchen-table FFL who was a LEO and just trying to make some money on the side.
anyway, after a year of jerking me around on this project and still not finishing the gun, i happened to walk into a local gun shop that was a major dealer of this manufacturer, and to my surprise, saw my gun sitting there on the shelf. they later made my model a standard item, although in a different color. I was pretty irritated.
I could never get them to come clean about what happened, but my guess is taht they sort of fell out with the LEO and then called their big dealer friend and said they had a spare pistol if they were interested.
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