A whole bunch of gun confiscation NOLA video's
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Finally!
I just read Lawdog's rant on the gun confiscations. Thank goodness we have ONE Peace Oficer who has morals, takes his oath of office seriously and says so out loud.
That is exactly what I was looking for. Why don't more LEO's speak up and take a stand?
Kudos Lawdog!
I just read Lawdog's rant on the gun confiscations. Thank goodness we have ONE Peace Oficer who has morals, takes his oath of office seriously and says so out loud.
That is exactly what I was looking for. Why don't more LEO's speak up and take a stand?
Kudos Lawdog!
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Correia
The confiscations lasted for less than 24 hours? Where are you getting that? Read the SAF lawsuit and the papers attached. There were people getting there weapons seized weeks later when coming in to check on the damage to their property.
The confiscations lasted for less than 24 hours? Where are you getting that? Read the SAF lawsuit and the papers attached. There were people getting there weapons seized weeks later when coming in to check on the damage to their property.
And that, I don't know anything about. So you are probably right.
I can only speak for the people that I know.
Look, I'm not saying they didn't happen. On the contrary, I know they did, and I know that it is horrible, and we need to do everything in our power to stop them from ever happening again.
I just get real tired of the chicken little, defeatist, crying I hear online. As if every single person that has ever worn camo or a badge needs to personally go to that crying poster and pinky swear that he won't do anything bad. I know lots of these folks, work, and train with them, and the vast majority aren't going to confiscate anyone's guns. Outside of major urban areas, guys like Lawdog are whole lot closer to the average.
By any anti-gunners standards, the confiscations were a train wreck. In perfect conditions for them, this was the best they could do. Change the situation slightly, say that there wasn't tons of evacuation time, and the majority of people like us were still there. The situation would have been ten times as ugly, and lots of confiscators probably would have been shot, or at least kept really busy, in a situation where everyone really has more important things to do.
So I really am in agreement with most of you. And we should be ticked, and we should be fighting. But I think we should at least be smart enough to be mad at the right people, and fight the right people.
I can only speak for the people that I know.
Look, I'm not saying they didn't happen. On the contrary, I know they did, and I know that it is horrible, and we need to do everything in our power to stop them from ever happening again.
I just get real tired of the chicken little, defeatist, crying I hear online. As if every single person that has ever worn camo or a badge needs to personally go to that crying poster and pinky swear that he won't do anything bad. I know lots of these folks, work, and train with them, and the vast majority aren't going to confiscate anyone's guns. Outside of major urban areas, guys like Lawdog are whole lot closer to the average.
By any anti-gunners standards, the confiscations were a train wreck. In perfect conditions for them, this was the best they could do. Change the situation slightly, say that there wasn't tons of evacuation time, and the majority of people like us were still there. The situation would have been ten times as ugly, and lots of confiscators probably would have been shot, or at least kept really busy, in a situation where everyone really has more important things to do.
So I really am in agreement with most of you. And we should be ticked, and we should be fighting. But I think we should at least be smart enough to be mad at the right people, and fight the right people.
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ok, I will admit
As a person that denied the existence of the gun grab... I was wrong. It appears that it did happen on a larger scale then I imagined. That being said, it is WRONG to ask citizens to release their weapons, but NG and LEO grunts are going to ordered to do it again. What are you going to do, shoot it out with a squad of NG with M16s, or hand over? But I am not getting into a lead pissing match I cant or wont win. Especially not with Joe Average guy from Dallas that got called up from his job at FedEx to help keep the peace, who is just following some dumb a55 politicians edict, possibly ruining his life, his families and mine. A little subterfuge will go a long way.
Personally, during the next I will hide some... hand over the .22 Ruger MKII and Rem 11-87. They the only guns left that were purchased through a documented, FFL transfer. They others were all FTF deals.
As a person that denied the existence of the gun grab... I was wrong. It appears that it did happen on a larger scale then I imagined. That being said, it is WRONG to ask citizens to release their weapons, but NG and LEO grunts are going to ordered to do it again. What are you going to do, shoot it out with a squad of NG with M16s, or hand over? But I am not getting into a lead pissing match I cant or wont win. Especially not with Joe Average guy from Dallas that got called up from his job at FedEx to help keep the peace, who is just following some dumb a55 politicians edict, possibly ruining his life, his families and mine. A little subterfuge will go a long way.
Personally, during the next I will hide some... hand over the .22 Ruger MKII and Rem 11-87. They the only guns left that were purchased through a documented, FFL transfer. They others were all FTF deals.
Henry Bowman
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Larry, I think some of the frustration in the NOLA situation comes from not being able to identify the "right people."
The leaders, mayor & police chief, deny giving the order, even though they stated publicly that people were not going to be allowed to stay armed. The chief is gone, the mayor has been re-elected and claims they have no confiscated guns [well, these few over here], and the people are being asked to prove what they owned to get them back.
The confiscators acted with near anonymity. There were personnel from so many jurisdictions, both federal and state level, and so few were caught on tape. Even those caught on tape, the individuals have not been officially identified.
The "broad brush" covers many more upstanding people than perpetrators. But in frustration, they hope that those falsely painted will gain a stake in identifying the "right people" on which to lay blame. That dosn't justify the "broad brush," but helps explain its use.
The leaders, mayor & police chief, deny giving the order, even though they stated publicly that people were not going to be allowed to stay armed. The chief is gone, the mayor has been re-elected and claims they have no confiscated guns [well, these few over here], and the people are being asked to prove what they owned to get them back.
The confiscators acted with near anonymity. There were personnel from so many jurisdictions, both federal and state level, and so few were caught on tape. Even those caught on tape, the individuals have not been officially identified.
The "broad brush" covers many more upstanding people than perpetrators. But in frustration, they hope that those falsely painted will gain a stake in identifying the "right people" on which to lay blame. That dosn't justify the "broad brush," but helps explain its use.
Correia, My apologies to you if I offended you. In no way did I mean any disrespect to the NG or any of the other GOOD GUYS performing their service, and I mean it, they did A LOT of good things. The latest report I read about the NG's involvement was a glowing review and put to rest many of the misconceptions about the ineptitudes portrayed by the media.
Every Guardsman I've met has been a good guy. The vast majority of COPS are good guys. I've only had one occasion in my life where a cop was disrespectful to me. I have no doubt that the vast majority of the GOOD GUYS would refuse an order to violate the Constitutional Rights of American citizens.
However, as other have said more eloquently than I, the confiscations occurred, so some obeyed the order. No shots were fired. In the same situation (a single person facing a group of armed law enforcement with orders to evacuate and disarm), most people would not shoot. And many of the people who SAY they would, won't. Maybe I'm wrong.
It's not the GOOD GUYS I'm worried about. I'm worried that the GOOD GUYS would be out fighting foreign wars, and we'll have a UN "peacekeeping force", who has not taken an oath to defend our Constitution, depriving us of our arms.
Please pass me the tinfoil helmet. I'd rather be paranoid than wrong.
Every Guardsman I've met has been a good guy. The vast majority of COPS are good guys. I've only had one occasion in my life where a cop was disrespectful to me. I have no doubt that the vast majority of the GOOD GUYS would refuse an order to violate the Constitutional Rights of American citizens.
However, as other have said more eloquently than I, the confiscations occurred, so some obeyed the order. No shots were fired. In the same situation (a single person facing a group of armed law enforcement with orders to evacuate and disarm), most people would not shoot. And many of the people who SAY they would, won't. Maybe I'm wrong.
It's not the GOOD GUYS I'm worried about. I'm worried that the GOOD GUYS would be out fighting foreign wars, and we'll have a UN "peacekeeping force", who has not taken an oath to defend our Constitution, depriving us of our arms.
Please pass me the tinfoil helmet. I'd rather be paranoid than wrong.
Quote from Punkermonkey:
"For any government agency to warrentlessly (is that even a word?) enter anyone's home, take property with out court order, and detain a citizen treating them like a criminal is an egregious violation of Civil Rights!"
Dear Punkermonkey:
These unlawful acts committed under the color of authority, were violations of CONSTITUTIONAL rights, not Civil rights. I am not meaning to nit pick but this is an important, fundamental issue in relation to the argument that guns should not be confiscated, old women should not be slam dunked by LEO's, etc.
A civil right, is one granted by a government agency. A CONSTITUTIONAL right is one of the inherent rights granted by God, that were recognized by the Founders in writing upon establishing our system of government.
The gun grab itself, was facilitated by citizens and LEO's being led to believe that a civil statute enacted by a municipality or state, or an order issued by a civil law enforcement officer, both overules and overides both Individual and Collective Constitutional Rights.
Accordingly, our representatives continuation of ignoring the Constitution is also contributing to the ability of the United Nations to begin the process of dictating a national gun registry within our country and ultimately instituting a wholesale national gun confiscation. Our nations representatives are simply claiming to be sleeping through it.
Enjoy your 2nd Amendment rights for the short while they continue to somewhat exist. Because soon, your local LEO's will be given orders to initiate a gun confiscation. And they will (as demonstrated by officers from all over the country overwhelmingly participating in the one in New Orleans) comply with those orders, since they truly believe their Mayor or unelected Cheif of Police, has the authority to overide the 2nd Amendment.
I only say the majority of LEO's will comply with such an order, due to the fact that in the most recent gun confiscation in New Orleans, the officers proved it. While some LEO's will not comply, not enough will refuse, as evidenced by the wholesale gun confiscation in New Orleans.
It is a shame, however, it is factual.
"For any government agency to warrentlessly (is that even a word?) enter anyone's home, take property with out court order, and detain a citizen treating them like a criminal is an egregious violation of Civil Rights!"
Dear Punkermonkey:
These unlawful acts committed under the color of authority, were violations of CONSTITUTIONAL rights, not Civil rights. I am not meaning to nit pick but this is an important, fundamental issue in relation to the argument that guns should not be confiscated, old women should not be slam dunked by LEO's, etc.
A civil right, is one granted by a government agency. A CONSTITUTIONAL right is one of the inherent rights granted by God, that were recognized by the Founders in writing upon establishing our system of government.
The gun grab itself, was facilitated by citizens and LEO's being led to believe that a civil statute enacted by a municipality or state, or an order issued by a civil law enforcement officer, both overules and overides both Individual and Collective Constitutional Rights.
Accordingly, our representatives continuation of ignoring the Constitution is also contributing to the ability of the United Nations to begin the process of dictating a national gun registry within our country and ultimately instituting a wholesale national gun confiscation. Our nations representatives are simply claiming to be sleeping through it.
Enjoy your 2nd Amendment rights for the short while they continue to somewhat exist. Because soon, your local LEO's will be given orders to initiate a gun confiscation. And they will (as demonstrated by officers from all over the country overwhelmingly participating in the one in New Orleans) comply with those orders, since they truly believe their Mayor or unelected Cheif of Police, has the authority to overide the 2nd Amendment.
I only say the majority of LEO's will comply with such an order, due to the fact that in the most recent gun confiscation in New Orleans, the officers proved it. While some LEO's will not comply, not enough will refuse, as evidenced by the wholesale gun confiscation in New Orleans.
It is a shame, however, it is factual.
See, Ira, that is what I was talking about.
With an attitude like that, we've already lost.
I must have missed the "overwhelming" part conducted by the "vast majority".
Once again:
1. most corrupt city in the country.
2. most corrupt police force in the country.
3. in an epic state of confusion from one of the worst natural disasters in history.
4. where most of the hard core gunnies have left.
5. with absolute media access controlled by the government.
6. swarming with cops and military way out of proportion to the population.
And they got a couple of thousand guns.
And there was a huge backlash. And our people are up in arms and righteously pissed off.
And enough NG and cops from out of state threw fits, causing their home state governors to freak out.
And caused all of the red states to pass laws forbidding the seizure of guns in a disaster.
And caused tens of thousands of fence sitters to go out and buy their first guns because they saw this chaos and meltdown of society on their TVs.
I'm in the minority on this, but I think we are BETTER off now. NO was a wake up call. You have no idea how many guns I sold to first time buyers after Katrina. It woke people up. Not us. People like us are already ticked off. But it woke up quite a few of the general population. The government can't save you. If anything they will make you worse off. You need to take care of yourself.
The saddest part of this whole scheme is that Nagin got reelected instead of being sent to prison. But that is what you get in a 3rd world welfare leach city.
And what happens, Ira, when the police try to confiscate guns in Texas? Say in a situation where most of the middle and upper class, and anybody with a clue didn't have the chance to evacuate. People are going to get shot. Confiscators and resistors. And you think that there was an overwhelming majority out there snatching guns? What is going to happen when those people start getting shot? And what happens when the resistors who get killed turn out to be their friends, neighbors, and even relatives? I think you're going to run out of confiscators really fast.
Nope. If you think the backlash from Katrina was bad, that would be nothing compared to what would happen in other places.
I'm not ready to throw my hands in the air and cry defeat. It didn't work in NO, and it ain't going to work anywhere else.
As for UN troops confiscating guns, A. the UN couldn't fight their way out of a wet paper sack with out us. B. We might have qualms about shooting Bob and Skip from the local sheriff's department, but I don't see as many objections about shooting Achmed and Pierre from the UN.
Once again, I've got to specify, that just because I'm not going to cover myself in sack cloth and ashes doesn't mean that I condone the confiscations or deny they ever happened. Yes, they happened. And it was bad. And people should have went to jail for it.
With an attitude like that, we've already lost.
I must have missed the "overwhelming" part conducted by the "vast majority".
Once again:
1. most corrupt city in the country.
2. most corrupt police force in the country.
3. in an epic state of confusion from one of the worst natural disasters in history.
4. where most of the hard core gunnies have left.
5. with absolute media access controlled by the government.
6. swarming with cops and military way out of proportion to the population.
And they got a couple of thousand guns.
And there was a huge backlash. And our people are up in arms and righteously pissed off.
And enough NG and cops from out of state threw fits, causing their home state governors to freak out.
And caused all of the red states to pass laws forbidding the seizure of guns in a disaster.
And caused tens of thousands of fence sitters to go out and buy their first guns because they saw this chaos and meltdown of society on their TVs.
I'm in the minority on this, but I think we are BETTER off now. NO was a wake up call. You have no idea how many guns I sold to first time buyers after Katrina. It woke people up. Not us. People like us are already ticked off. But it woke up quite a few of the general population. The government can't save you. If anything they will make you worse off. You need to take care of yourself.
The saddest part of this whole scheme is that Nagin got reelected instead of being sent to prison. But that is what you get in a 3rd world welfare leach city.
And what happens, Ira, when the police try to confiscate guns in Texas? Say in a situation where most of the middle and upper class, and anybody with a clue didn't have the chance to evacuate. People are going to get shot. Confiscators and resistors. And you think that there was an overwhelming majority out there snatching guns? What is going to happen when those people start getting shot? And what happens when the resistors who get killed turn out to be their friends, neighbors, and even relatives? I think you're going to run out of confiscators really fast.
Nope. If you think the backlash from Katrina was bad, that would be nothing compared to what would happen in other places.
I'm not ready to throw my hands in the air and cry defeat. It didn't work in NO, and it ain't going to work anywhere else.
As for UN troops confiscating guns, A. the UN couldn't fight their way out of a wet paper sack with out us. B. We might have qualms about shooting Bob and Skip from the local sheriff's department, but I don't see as many objections about shooting Achmed and Pierre from the UN.
Once again, I've got to specify, that just because I'm not going to cover myself in sack cloth and ashes doesn't mean that I condone the confiscations or deny they ever happened. Yes, they happened. And it was bad. And people should have went to jail for it.
Malum Prohibitum
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Correia
"But that is what you get in a 3rd world welfare leach city. "
Well, you also get marauding transvestites. "The last thing the Magazine Street shop owners expected to threaten their survival was a crime ring of transvestites."
Link:
http://www.neworleanscitybusiness.com/uptotheminute.cfm?recid=4912&userID=0&referer=dailyUpdate
"But that is what you get in a 3rd world welfare leach city. "
Well, you also get marauding transvestites. "The last thing the Magazine Street shop owners expected to threaten their survival was a crime ring of transvestites."
Link:
http://www.neworleanscitybusiness.com/uptotheminute.cfm?recid=4912&userID=0&referer=dailyUpdate
XavierBreath
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Well put Mr. Correia, very well put.
I would wager a month's pay there are more guns per capita south of Alexandria Louisiana now than there were in June 2005.
I would wager a month's pay there are more guns per capita south of Alexandria Louisiana now than there were in June 2005.
Is it even legal to do what they did to that old lady? I mean how could they think that they were acting with any legal authority at all... can the city/state/fed MAKE YOU LEAVE? Isn't that depriving you of property without due process and compensaiton?
National Guard should be disbanded...
National Guard should be disbanded...
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