Academy drops limit

[gwpercle]

I can tell you if enough people don't buy primers at the $95 - $100 per / K price ... it will not take long to come back to a normal $40 - $45 . Stock that just sits on the shelf costs the dealer money, when that happens ...Sales start happening ...prices are artificially high right now .

I have a buddy that owns a gun shop and he isn't stocking very many primers becuse when prices drop he doesn't want to be stuck with money loosing inventory .
When you see bare shelves in a one man owned shop ...this is probly whats going on ...
He doesn't want to pay the unreasonable inflated prices ... he thinks they will soon fall .
You guy's hang tough ... buy only what you need ... makers can't eat primers .
Gary

 

[9mmepiphany]

You guy's hang tough ... buy only what you need ... makers can't eat primers .

They don't have to, they load it an sell it s factory ammo at a higher profit margin.

I believe the Vista primers you're seeing are overruns being used to fill backorders...they are still way behind filling contracted ammo orders. When they run out of other components to build ammo, they don't stopped primer production, they just send it off to distributors to fill orders until the missing component is available again

 

[dartor]

Walked into the local Academy Wednesday night looking for large rifle primers. They had small standard and magnum and small rifle. I didn't bother to ask the price. Left empty handed.

 

[CQB45ACP]

They don't have to, they load it an sell it s factory ammo at a higher profit margin.

I believe the Vista primers you're seeing are overruns being used to fill backorders...they are still way behind filling contracted ammo orders. When they run out of other components to build ammo, they don't stopped primer production, they just send it off to distributors to fill orders until the missing component is available again

That’s a really cynical view—and may be correct—it presumes Vista is intentionally screwing one smaller group of established customers to satisfy another larger group.

It also presumes that even in the best of times, consumer primer sales are more or less floor sweepings.

Do other corporations do this too? Yokohama doesn’t produce/sell tires for the consumer market until all orders for the fleet or auto manufacturers are met? And stop and start consumer sales based upon order fulfillment to Subaru?

I live in such a utopian bubble. I thought capitalists loved me.

 

[Howa 9700]

There is an Academy near here, but have never set foot in the place, so don't know what they have.

Back to the topic of limits. If you were a retailer and you found 100 scarce items to sell, would it be better to sell all 100 to one guy at a low price, knowing they would turn up on Gone Broker the same day, at double what you just sold them for (1 sale at a time), or put 1 item in 100 hands to spread the wealth so to speak? My take is the latter makes more sense, and more people not as unhappy. Limits were a form of rationing to put scare items in as many hands as possible. Good to hear they are no longer needed.

Hopefully reloading components will follow along with the likes of other hard to find items, like toilet paper........or canning jar lids. Once the fear factor hoarding demand is overwhelmed by stocked shelves, a happy equilibrium will return. Unless the high volume shooters just up and quit........there is going to be an ongoing demand for components. Low volume guys like me can stock up for life, but there are guys what shoot more in a year, than I have my entire life. They are going to need to reload their stash (pun intended).

 

[Walkalong]

That’s a really cynical view—and may be correct—it presumes Vista is intentionally screwing one smaller group of established customers to satisfy another larger group.

Na, not cynical, and I agree, ammo gets the first primers, they are not going to ignore that huge ammo market to sell primers to reloaders, just smart business. They did the same thing last time. It will come around.

 

[Bill M.]

My local Academy has some bullets. That is it for reloading supplies. No powder or primers for a couple of years and they do not think they are getting any soon. They have some Hornady presses and equipment.

 

[mcb]

I was in my local Acadamy Wednesday evening. A good selection of ammunition and the prices where down but still not good IMHO. They always have has a modest selection of Hornady bullets and Hornady and RCBS dies. They have a very small selection of powder. I have seen primers off and on but at extraordinary prices and very limited quantities. My local gun shop has a pretty good selection of bullets from several makers and a very nice selection of powders. Unfortunately no primers either. I could really go for a sleeve of small rifle primers, I am getting low on 300 BO and want to start reloading 30 RAR and 6mm Creedmoor.

 

[GeoDudeFlorida]

That’s a really cynical view—and may be correct—it presumes Vista is intentionally screwing one smaller group of established customers to satisfy another larger group.

It also presumes that even in the best of times, consumer primer sales are more or less floor sweepings.

Do other corporations do this too? Yokohama doesn’t produce/sell tires for the consumer market until all orders for the fleet or auto manufacturers are met? And stop and start consumer sales based upon order fulfillment to Subaru?

I live in such a utopian bubble. I thought capitalists loved me.

It’s even simpler than that: they just make primers. Wholesalers place orders and they get filled on a FIFO basis - first order placed gets filled, every other order gets filled too as stock becomes available but they also wait until the whole order can be filled.
We live in a world of limited resources.

 

[GeoDudeFlorida]

There is an Academy near here, but have never set foot in the place, so don't know what they have.

Back to the topic of limits. If you were a retailer and you found 100 scarce items to sell, would it be better to sell all 100 to one guy at a low price, knowing they would turn up on Gone Broker the same day, at double what you just sold them for (1 sale at a time), or put 1 item in 100 hands to spread the wealth so to speak? My take is the latter makes more sense, and more people not as unhappy. Limits were a form of rationing to put scare items in as many hands as possible. Good to hear they are no longer needed.

Hopefully reloading components will follow along with the likes of other hard to find items, like toilet paper........or canning jar lids. Once the fear factor hoarding demand is overwhelmed by stocked shelves, a happy equilibrium will return. Unless the high volume shooters just up and quit........there is going to be an ongoing demand for components. Low volume guys like me can stock up for life, but there are guys what shoot more in a year, than I have my entire life. They are going to need to reload their stash (pun intended).

Yup. This is it exactly. I don’t talk about what I do or don’t got because I don’t want to rub any salt or come off like a bragger but I shoot in such low volume - almost entirely just horsing around or serious hunting, neither of which burns much ammo - that I could probably get by with what I have the rest of my days and never want for anything. But there’s a whole bunch of folks here who would burn through my entire inventory in a weekend and not be done tossing lead. That’s why I don’t get too excited about a 50 or 75% swing in prices. I don’t buy anything anymore out of need; it’s strictly a matter of want.

 

[CQB45ACP]

If I weren’t so lazy I’d try to find some actual data/numbers of primers produced/sold by public companies.

Compare it to ammo production and sales and so on and stop speculating, but fortunately I’m lazy.

If Walmart hadn’t stopped selling handgun ammo here in Fairfax County, I’d still be buying from them instead of reloading anyway. I’d just be paying more but not worrying about availability.

 

[GeoDudeFlorida]

The rest of the story is what most folks forget or ignore in their rush to blame somebody. When primers - or any product - sits on the shelf and only sells at a loss, the retailer stops buying that product. They are not a charity constituted to cater to your whims, they are a whole bunch of people’s livelihoods. If the retailer loses money they stop selling the loser goods. Griping is not going to change that.

 

[9mmepiphany]

That’s a really cynical view—and may be correct—it presumes Vista is intentionally screwing one smaller group of established customers to satisfy another larger group.

It also presumes that even in the best of times, consumer primer sales are more or less floor sweepings.

I live in such a utopian bubble. I thought capitalists loved me.

Au Contraire.

That business plan is the very definition of Capitalist Economy and Supply and Demand.

It is the same business plan that makes 9mm bullets available before .38Spl/.357Mag bullets are available

 

[CQB45ACP]

Au Contraire.

That business plan is the very definition of Capitalist Economy and Supply and Demand.

It is the same business plan that makes 9mm bullets available before .38Spl/.357Mag bullets are available

Yes I know, it’s probably accurate to call it composite demand. I don’t recall much economics but that rings a bell.

 

[Skgreen]

The 2 LGS's I went to today still have (1) tray per type limits. (No LRP's)
Yesterday,,, I picked up 1k Rem 5 1/2's, 1k Fed SPM's and 1k CCI SRM's. (Y'all know where,,, and as mentioned in post 1, no limits is nice.)
For those with no such luck, hang in there a little longer. Better times are coming,,,

 

[AJC1]

The 2 LGS's I went to today still have (1) tray per type limits. (No LRP's)
Yesterday,,, I picked up 1k Rem 5 1/2's, 1k Fed SPM's and 1k CCI SRM's. (Y'all know where,,, and as mentioned in post 1, no limits is nice.)
For those with no such luck, hang in there a little longer. Better times are coming,,,

I haven't seen any large primers in the wild in a year. The last encounter I did have was at achedemy and they were lrm which I picked up for a fellow board member. I got some lpp from the same guy as I haven't seen those in 2 years in a store. I guess it's great news my primary need is spp or spm. I find those at the local bps or achedemy every other month or so. Neither has limits currently.

 

[gunlaw]

I hope things have picked up. The last time I was in Academy, 4 boxes of ammo was wishful thinking and primers were something from a fairy tale.

Especially large pistol. Can’t get them anywhere at any price.

 

[AJC1]

Especially large pistol. Can’t get them anywhere at any price.

I like that I can shoot 45acp with spp. It might be nice if some of the others came with small primers. 44 mag with a srp would work just fine. The industry will do what we're willing to pay for.

 

[Hooda Thunkit]

Especially large pistol. Can’t get them anywhere at any price.

Large pistol will continue to be a problem, IMO.

The vast majority of LP primers are used in handguns originating in North America. The rest of the world uses SPP.

Of the 4 major types (LP, SP, LR, SR), LP is used the least, and in the fewest models of handguns.

Purchase and plan accordingly.

 

[GeoDudeFlorida]

Shortages. Rationing. It’s the end of the world as we know it!

 

[deadeye dick]

I get my primers at the gun shows. They are a decent price. As far as powder or anything gun related i call ahead and ask first weather it's a gun, bullets etc. saves a lot of running around and gas. My local stores are Cabelas, Academy, PSA, Sportsman's Warehouse, and local gun shops. They will take the time to look.