Accidental Discharge (Graphic Pics)

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Oh Man, that would lead me to :cuss:. Glad it wasn't worse. Be careful everyone.
 
People who get in the habit of dropping the hammer, in my opinion, are just waiting for an AD to happen. Dropping the hammer means you have to pull the trigger. I don't pull the trigger on any gun unless I want it to go bang. The ONLY exception is if I am doing dry fire practice, and before that I REMOVE the magazine, check three times it is clear, and still point in a safe direction.
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So one exception is better than another?

You can check that a pistol is clear before pulling the trigger to disassemble just as easily as you can check it is clear before pulling the trigger for dryfire practice.

There are multiple reasons for pulling a trigger.

1) Fire the weapon. Easy.
2) Disassemble (some designs only)
3) Dryfire practice
4) Check proper function/trigger pull feel

All but one of these reasons applies to all firearms.

The problem is that the user in this case isn't careful/smart enough to know whether there is a round in the chamber. If that is the case, he is going to have an accident some day regardless of the design of the pistol. Yes, the only real safety is in between the ears, and no design is ever going to change that.
 
Just wondering when the pictures were taken.....cause it looks like it was done in the house before the wound was cleaned.....I know if I had a ND, I'd want to make sure somebody got pictures before I was rushed to the hospital....not!
 
I also know the Glock guys are gonna chime in to save the good face of their sacred pistol design, to which their will be no refute that will be accepted by all.
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And by the XD owners...chime!
 
Cause: Having to pull the trigger while pulling that stupid release bar down to remove the slide. NEVER, EVER, will I own a gun that the trigger must be pulled for disassembly. Design flaw in my opinion.

I know "the safeties between my ears" and all that, but the trigger is for shooting not for cleaning. I also know the Glock guys are gonna chime in to save the good face of their sacred pistol design, to which their will be no refute that will be accepted by all.
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People who don't own Glocks, and don't understand exactly how to take them apart, should not make blanket assertions about how a mechanism is responsible for a person failing to check the chamber of their pistol.
 
thats one buddy that you will never have to worry about. he will never handle another gun without clearing it, guarenteed.:D

i would also make sure he dosent forget he almost shot me by insisting on helping to change the bandage and cleaning it with lots of peroxide.:evil:
 
I know "the safeties between my ears" and all that, but the trigger is for shooting not for cleaning. I also know the Glock guys are gonna chime in to save the good face of their sacred pistol design, to which their will be no refute that will be accepted by all.
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Glock disassembly is very elegant and straightforward. By incorporating a trigger pull into the field stripping procedure, they very likely reduced the number of parts and redundant external mechanisms on the pistol. Pulling the trigger on an empty gun does no harm. It is the user's responsibility to ensure that the firearm is in fact empty, before he pulls the trigger to proceed with a field strip. And furthermore, it is also the user's responsibility to ensure that the pistol is pointed in a safe direction WHILE PULLING THE TRIGGER, regardless of whether the user has just cleared, double checked, and triple checked the chamber.
 
The rules of my household have forever changed. It'll be just like competition, before you enter you must show clear and drop the hammer (or striker or however you would like to say it).
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Might I suggest simply leaving the firearms alone? Dropping hammers, loading and unloading and loading again... these are invitations to more trouble. The basic rules will work best. Just don't draw, don't point at anything and don't pull the trigger.
 
Pertaining to the Glocks or Glock type pistols. First when you drop the mag, It is common sense to eject the chambered cartrage, since you are unloading the gun to do whatever you are doing. Checking it, would be with any pistol. And should just be a normal saftey procedure on all guns. Then you remove the slide without touching the trigger, I see what you mean about the weapon being cocked when removing the round, but that is pretty much common sense,when disassembling a semi-auto pistol then the whole slide comes off, so I don't get the point about pulling the trigger to get off the slide being at fault here, unless you don't keep a round chambered, and even then you should check to see if the striker or hammer is cocked. Once the clip is out, you have to either cock or drop out the round to remove it, or roll it out the ejection port holding, or locking the slide back.This just sounds like carlessness and being generally unfamiliar with the dynamics of the firearm.
 
"Clearing" a weapon, depending on its design, can be more complex than simply checking the chamber. When I was a teenager, back in the Late Cretaceous, a friend of mine and I were cleaning our .22 rifles after a day of hunting. His was a tube magazine bolt action. He looked into the chamber, worked the bolt and pulled the trigger several times, then, in defiance of all our training, worked the bolt one more time, pointed the rifle at my head and pulled the trigger! There was a harmless click. I gave him a dirty look, he proceeded to pull out the magazine tube and heard something rattle. THERE WERE FOUR LIVE ROUNDS IN THE MAGAZINE! One had apparently jammed between the magazine and some protrusion on the feed mechanism or frame and failed to feed. Neither of us said a word. We just sat there for a very, very long moment, staring at each other in horror. Am I obsessive about checking to see whether ANY firearm I touch for whatever purpose is loaded? You bet your sweet bippy I am!
 
He looked into the chamber, worked the bolt and pulled the trigger several times, then, in defiance of all our training, worked the bolt one more time, pointed the rifle at my head and pulled the trigger!
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He would have ceased to be my friend at that point.
 
Man, sorry to hear/see about this, I hope he comes out of that OK. I'd bet ya a dollar he "cleared" the chamber first, and then dropped the magazine. I saw that happen with a couple of my buddies one time, and a .25acp. Don racked the slide to clear it, dropped the magazine, then pulled the trigger and shot Mike in the shin from across the room.
 
thanks for posting this

It reminded me not to feel silly for re-checking and re-re-checking my guns.

Just last night I started to dry fire my Commander, and although I knew it was empty and didn't have a magazine in it, I cycled the slide, looked closely, then proceeded to dry fire it in a safe direction pointed toward an outside wall without a neighbor on the other side.

Sometimes I feel silly doing this over and over, but this thread reminded me that feeling silly feels better than looking at a hole like that in my hand at best and in someone else at worst!:uhoh:
 
racking the slide first before removing the magazine would just chamber a round, someone didn't think things through.
 
Whoa, Bayou Jack, WTH? I can understand why you haven't spoken with your friend in 50 years...

When will people realize that firearms punish people with never-ending heartache, debilitation or death for any wrongdoing? They are perhaps the most unforgiving tools on the planet. I don't suffer fools and firearms lightly; to be blunt, I don't suffer them at all.

While I can understand some accidental firearm deaths (friendly fire in the chaos of a battlefield, for example, as tragic as those are), an ND from cleaning a loaded firearm should never, ever occur.
 
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I would say not handling firearms around here is difficult as i am blessed to be able to walk out on my back porch or yard and shoot whenever i want. I consider myself to be very responsible in the manner in which i conduct myself when i do handle weapons of any kind. Ive been a shooter since i was 6 years old, and completely understand that safety is the absolute number one priority. i share my blessing (my home shooting range) with all my friends and family, but things are gonna be a little different now that this has happened. i always stress to a new shooter that comes over the importance of safety. but now when we leave the firing line i will check every weapon before it enters my home. And yes there will be minimal handling of the guns ounce they are inside.

Edit: I still don't understand why it was loaded to begin with. But this will never happen in my household again.
 
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Because we thrive on consistency. When we we pull the trigger, the gun is supposed to go bang. But on these guns, sometimes it does, and sometimes it doesn't. So it causes a mental shift. Now I'm "just cleaning" so, I pull the trigger to disassemble, forgetting that the primary function of that trigger is to make the gun go bang.

Being task oriented, the current task is taking off the slide, so the rest is momentarily forgotten. It just part of the way our brains work. Try the count the basketball passes video and you will totally ignore the gorilla walking through the game.

I've seen too many postings from very experienced people have this happen. I'm a constant clearer and checker, but I too will never own a gun like this. It's too easy to buy something that is inherently safer.
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This "mental shift" and "task orientation" that android refers to is likely behind many if not most NDs.
 
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a good reminder to us all...

I can be as safe as humanly possible... only to suffer a life changing injury at the hands of a negligent "friend".

I can't assume that anyone is reliably safe, until they demonstrate it consistently over time. And even then, I need to back them up with my "rules of the house".

It's necessary to assertively exercise control over those spaces where I am "the man in charge".

That's cool that you can shoot off the back porch.... but by letting others come and do likewise, you're taking on a significant responsibility. Effectively, you are running a range.
 
Hope the best for your friend; thanks for sharing - a good reminder for all of us gunners.

Glad this didn't turn into an AD versus ND discussion - several people tried to get it started. Who gives a crap about what you call it. It happened, and will again because we are all human (some do believe otherwise, though). We should not further add insult to injury by hanging a "negligent" sign around someones neck. Just let such an event be a learning event - period.
 
on the up side, the pics should put to rest the idea held by some caliber fanatics that a 9mm is for some reason a sissy round. that looks like a pretty nasty.
 
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