accuracy of a remington 710

[jsin607]

Woo hoo, dead threads.

My 710 will put them in the same hole a 100 yards all day long.

I even got a Simmons 4x12x50 scope at a yard sale for $10

I have probably spent more on ammunition than I did on the gun itself.

Good deal, good gun.

The best part was I got it at Wal-Mart

 

[forever_the_newguy]

I OWN A 710 its junk 200 rounds of ammo, mag latch broke, bottom line.......i'm looking for something abit more stable its a POS

 

[MCgunner]

I've never owned one, so I should even comment on the rifle. I've heard all the detractors, but I've learned that's pretty meaningless on net boards. I can say, I wouldn't trade my M722 for a box car full of 'em, but there's more to do with the sentimental value of that rifle.

I do know that the Remingtons I've fired over the years have tended to better consistent accuracy than your average Savage. This is not to say that the Savage isn't plenty accurate or can't be made superbly accurate, just that out of the box, Remington ha always done better for me. I sighted in a guy's M788 once for him in .22-250. That gun was plain, a beat up POS to look at and had a hard, creepy trigger. But, I took run of the mill store bought ammo and made a dime sized 5 shot hole with it. The 788 was the bargain shelf Remington of its day. I hope the 710 is similar, but I've never fired one to know.

 

[Ash]

As long as the barrel holds up. There is no way to re-barrel it. It costs as much as a Savage but is a Bic lighter. When it's accuracy degrades, there isn't anything that can be done for it (except perhaps to counter-bore it). Once you reach a certain point, the only thing that can be done is to strip it of usable parts and throw the barrel/receiver way. Unless, of course, you grow tomatoes and can use it for a stake.

Even the Mossberg 100ATR, which is much cheaper, can be re-barreled (and has a real receiver, not a mild-steel tubing called a receiver).

Ash

 

[the naked prophet]

I bought one (.243 Win) cause it was on clearance at Wal-Mart for... get this... $200. I even got a $50 rebate on top of that!

With Federal 100 grain Power-Shok or Vital-Shok ammo (can't remember which), it shoots consistent 5-shot groups under 3/4" at 100 yards. With Winchester Super-X 100 grain, it shoots right at 1 1/8" groups every time.

I don't know about barrels wearing out, barrels being not-replaceable, or whatnot. I sure as heck wouldn't pay $400 for one, but it does seem more solid than the Savage I bought for $350 that had a flimsy stock, rattling bolt, and couldn't keep groups under 6 inches at 100 yards.

When my Remington 710 wears out, I'll have saved up enough for a really nice rifle of some sort.

 

[rust collector]

We really do the best we can, but

If there's something to be gleaned from this old thread and dozens like it:

Check in and hang around before making a major purchase decision, and you'll get many opinions and a few facts.

You still have to wade through a lot of BS to get to the truth of the matter.

We like opinions based upon experience, but someone who has made that choice is more likely to defend it than to admit making an unfortunate choice.

Someone starting out is wise to proceed with caution. Most of us wish we had kept our first guns, but most of us received or bought inexpensive guns that were soon outgrown. A wise choice starting out can be a joy for a great many years.

Don't ask the question if you can't stand to hear the answer

 

[bogie]

How did I miss this one the first time around?

Where do you live? How much money you got? I can travel.

I'm gonna bring a rifle and action made by someone you've never heard of... It's just a little .243 caliber - will you give me a handicap?

 

[Ash]

"but it does seem more solid than the Savage I bought"

It seems that way because of the plastic inserts in the receiver. What feels like solid is really just temporarily tight. When the plastic wears down, it'll wobble just fine. The Solid fit of the magazine is due, also, to said plastic. The receiver, however, while solid, is considerably less sturdy than the Savage or Remington 700 or Mossberg 100ATR, being mild steel. It cannot be rebarreled because the barrel is merely pressed into the receiver. Headspace cannot be adjusted or corrected because the bolt locks into the barrel.

At $150, it probably is a good deal. The 710 obviously had defects as it has been rebadged 770 with a different, Nike-looking stock and swivels copied from the Mossberg 100ATR.

Folks are welcome to like it. But make no mistake, the 710 is not, nor will it ever be, a better rifle than the Stevens 200 at the same price. It cannot be rebarreled. It cannot be re-stocked because there are no other stocks available for it. It cannot be re-chambered. And if headspace goes on it, the rifle cannot be repaired.

Ash

 

[MCgunner]

I don't know anyone off hand that has ever burned a barrel out of a rifle. I suspect those that shoot THAT much don't go for bargain shelf guns at Wallyworld. I don't have a 710, but it don't sound like that bad a beginner gun or a hunter's rifle, frankly, from what folks are saying.

I have an old Savage 110 in 7 mag I got in the early 90s just after they'd restructured. It's essentially the Stevens in that it has the old trigger. The rifle is picky about bullets. Yeah, there's some that I couldn't get better than 4-6 MOA out of, but Nosler partition 160s and Sierra 150 Game Kings shoot 1 MOA over a stout load of RL22. 1 MOA is all that I ask of a hunting rifle. That gets me well within minute of deer shoulder at 400 yards and in. The Savage might be picky about loads, but it normally will shoot, in my experience, 1 MOA with a good load matched to it. If you haven't gotten good hunting accuracy from your Savage, you haven't played with loads enough.

By contrast, my two Remingtons shoot sub 2 moa with a BAD load and best loads are 3/4 moa. I've floated that 7 mag, but have done nothing to the Remingtons figuring if it ain't broke, don't fix it. Neither gun is a 710, though, but like I say, I've fired CHEAP M788s that shot unbelievably well with ordinary off the shelf factory loads. The Remingtons I have experience with aren't that ammo picky.

 

[Ash]

In the end, the 710 is a dead end. It may be a beginner's rifle, but it is the beginning and end. You cannot get a 710 and make it nicer down the road. It is what you can get, and it is more expensive than other beginner rifles while at the same time, much cheaper construction. At the same price as the Savage 110 with accutrigger and the same quality (if different manufacture) scope, the 710 is very clearly inferior, if only because it cannot be re-stocked or rebarreled down the road. And, while you very clearly got a lemon in the savage, such rifles are not routinely 4-6 MOA shooters. They are known, for good reason, for being accurate, if not elegant, shooters.

So, the question is, is a fellow well-served, for the price of $300 retail, in buying a 710? It may work for him, but for the money he could get much better. Mild steel versus ordnance steel, 100% steel receiver versus steel with plastic inserts, machined tang safety versus stamped (and very small) side safety, large aftermarket support versus no aftermarket support, replaceable barrel versus non-replaceable, and, very importantly, still in production versus discontinued and replaced with an updated version of the same. Even Remington seemed to realize the 710 wasn't all that great.

Ash

 

[MCgunner]

Good points all. One thing about the Savage I like is, with a headspace go/no go gauge set a barrel, and barrel nut wrench, I can change calibers at home. I may decide I'd rather have a .338 than a 7 mag or something, you never know. Not likely, but you can change calibers if you feel a need.

 

[GhostCat]

CRAP!!!!......Why did I have to read this thread????.......Anyone want to buy a REM 710 - .300 WIN MAG???

$300

 

[Ash]

Well, if you already have it, then keep it. I might advise against buying one, but now that you have it, don't worry too much. Use it. You liked it enough to buy it, they are reasonably accurate rifles, and you can put any kind of scope on it you like. It still makes a decent hunting rifle and, unless you have had trouble with it, you really have no reason to part with it.

Ash

 

[Tarvis]

RESSURECT! LIVE, THREAD OF ANCIENT TIMES!!

Seriously though, you ought to know that you get what you pay for. It's cheap for a reason.

 

[Gary - K7GLD]

Whoa

These posts make one thing obvious...almost none of you have tried this rifle. "Oh, I saw it in a magazine and it sucked." or "My friend had one and let me feel the magazine."
Really meritless posting to be sure. If you have bench-fired this rifle you'd be surprised. IF you do a lot of shooting. I have several rifles of the 700 variety and found this one to be a nice addition to the old cabinet. IN NO WAY a POS. That is a bogus remark. A cheap gun, yes. A less than perfect action, yes, a might sticky. The trigger on this one, though, is adjustable and shoots SWEET. I mean sweet. I was really surprised by this .270. I did replace the scope with a Redfield, though.
Anybody who wouldn't take one if it was given to them needs to contact me because I will.
BTW, I like the Savage combo, too.

Amen, for sure!

Far too many "rifle Connoisseurs", or elite, comparing guns by guesswork or having not actually held or shot one - then rendering judgement based more upon prejudice and peer popularity than actual, tested FACT!

For sure, different folks have different needs and uses, and for many, the primary use of a rifle is to place an accurate shot in perhaps a couple of larger game like deer and elk per season - and THAT hardly requires thousand dollar rifles and similar scopes.

A few years back, you'd get lynched for recommending pistols making major use of synthetics in their construction - because they "look and feel CHEAP" - ah, but look at them NOW!

If you're going to drag a rifle around in wet and scruffy areas to bag your annual Buck, it makes far more sense to do it with a relatively inexpensive rifle that can stand up to the abuse decently, than a "showcase" rifle whose greatest asset is exquisite checkering and engraving - sort of like it makes more sense to take down a tree with an axe, than with a surgeon's scalpel...

I have a Remington 270 that is rugged, shoots straight EVERY time, and the deer in the sights have NO idea whether they're being dropped with a Remington - or a Weatherby, and they TASTE the same on the table, too!

 

[Ash]

You miss the point. The complaints about the 710 was that it was more cheaply made than the Savage 110 of the day, yet was more expensive. It remains more expensive than the Stevens 200 as well as the Mossberg 100ATR, yet it is not as well made as either.

In other words, the Remington 710 and 770 are inferior to construction to other rifles that actually cost less while at the same time, a complete dead-end because what you have is what you get. They are the Bic lighter of the rifle world. Yeah, they shoot accurately and that may be enough for anyone, but there are better rifles out there for the same or less money than the 710. If you have a choice between a Yugo and a Chevy Cavalier, and they are the same price, which one is actually a better deal? Or, you have a Cadillac Cimmeron, which was just a dressed-up Cavalier versus a Ford Taurus, which one is a better deal? The Caddy might be a Caddy, but the Taurus was a better car for less money.

The Stevens is a better rifle than the 710 or 770 for less money. The Mossberg has no aftermarket support like the 710 but is still a better rifle for less money. Heck, there are 700's which are certainly better rifles for just a little more money.

And that, in the end, is the complaint with this product.

Ash

 

[magnum85]

Didn`t you guys hear? Remington had a major recall on the 710. So they renamed it the 770 so they could get out of hot water!

 

[jon_in_wv]

The local pawnshop seems to always have a couple 710s selling for about 199 bucks. Usually you can talk them down a bit too. That tells me something about the rifle.

 

[glock2008]

I wouldn't call a recall of guns made between july and october of 2002 a major recall...

http://www.remington.com/safety/model_710_notice/

 

[gamestalker]

Unsurpassed quality of Rem. 710

I was looking over some of the opnions regarding the Rem. 710 and thought I would post my first hand experience with this jewel of innovation. Most complain about the action being stiff and that is only because of the new concept. The bolt is tightly milled to fit with a special machine finnish and coated to keep this quality. WE are all pretty used to the feel of the common action, 700s, 70s, 110s, and so on. This action wasn't made using the same concept. First of all, it is a 3 lug lock into the barrel, not the reciever. I've also heard complaints about the trigger being drifty, hard, and just not claen. This trigger is a 3 stage jewel and can be adjusted to any pull desired with some very simple adjustments. What ever you do, do not file or lap on any sear or other release parts of this trigger as it is made of a carbon type material and will crumble. But that isn't necessary anyway considering the excceptional quality of this 3 stage jewel Remington included in the first production line. I'm told that the newer 710s don't have all of the extra features such as the 3 stage trigger, barrel may be different too. If you look around you can find a good number of these first proiduction 710s used for around $300 or so and they are worth every penny. I found the instructions for fine tuning the trigger on sniper country. The barrel is button lapped. A button crowned barrel as well makes for a nice accurate rifle which it has. Pilliar bedded action is another added feature Remington included. To remedy the stiff action I simply did some light lapping and now have a smooth sweet throw which is about 60 degrees. The rifle is heavy, but that to me is a plus considering the barrel is of armory grade steel and heavier than most standard production rifles. Mine which is a 7mm rem. mag puts 5 through the same hole at 20 yards consistentlly! My son bought a 700 and it didn't even perform as well as my 710. I do agree with the optic complaints though. But I always complain about optics unless it says Leupold on it. I never even shot the rifle until I switched the optic out with a nice Leupold.
gamestalker