Discussion in 'General Gun Discussions' started by Shooter973, Mar 29, 2009.
What I don't understand, and it's possible.... okay *probable* that I am just a jerk, is the need people have to provide a reason for saying no to uncomfortable requests like this.
It's my s***, it's my time, it's my decision, the answer is no and I don't need to explain myself.
Then again, perhaps I am just bitter after a lot of years of silly requests, but that's how I see it.
You're not a jerk, Noxx.
You're just not a wuss.
Problem is, we're a nation of wusses. See November 4, 2008.
woad yurt: "Ever see the dry cleaner's sign that says "Not responsible for lost or damaged items?" A lot of them have it printed on the back of the ticket they give you when you drop off your items. Well, according to the law, they are responsible if they do damage or lose your goods. You just have to prove it, is all."
Generally correct. A place may or may not be found liable, but their funny little "disclaimer" sign generally will have no effect on this determination. May as well put up a sign saying, "We employ an armed robber and homicidal maniac. Not responsible for your stolen articles, death or dismemberment."
"Sorry, no can do." If you want to bother, provide him with online sources for reloading or bullets. if he asks why tell him about the law. Keep if short and simple.
I would let him scrounge for the components then teach him how to use my equipment under my supervision. Be nice to teach someone else and he may end up being a reloader himself before it's all over.
W Turner: "Be nice to teach someone else and he may end up being a reloader himself before it's all over."
And another local competitor for scarce components, perhaps with more resources to outbit you for them.
This guy isn't being nice to you. He's wanting to be using you. He's not a friend. Read the book "Boundaries" and you'll get a clue as to where to set up stop signs.
Obviously, you are not comfortable with his proposal. Just say "No." He'll attempt to negotiate but stick to your guns. Tell him you just don't load ammo for anyone but yourself. You don't need to say why. You do not owe him any reason. You do not owe him anything. Don't subordinate your rightful hesitations to his overbearing.
If you're in the business of loading custom ammo, set the price, get cash up front, and tell him when he can come pick it up. Period. Otherwise, lose this guy.
Casual acquaintances are not good buddies...
This guy is just using you, and while it's a good deal for him, it's a crappy deal for you...
I'd pass, and if he took offense to your position you have just proved to yourself you made the right decision.
It's simple - it's not worth your time.
Here is a thread about buying reloads from dealers
If you really want to be nice, just track down some ammo for him and point him in that direction. Otherwise, just tell him that you don't have time to do it, or get out of it any way you can.
Tell him that the liability and legality of loading ammo for others is very clear and that it's not something that either one of you want to get into.
On the other hand, tell him you'll be happy to find the ammo for him, but he's got to provide the money and a "service fee" for the work involved. As long as he doesn't care what the cost is you can contact GA Arms and order a thousand of each in for him and take 10% as your "fee".
Just point him towards this thread. I bet halfway through the first page he gets the hint
Just simply tell him you are too busy with work and kids---your mother in law is sick--you're renovating the house--planting a garden-- ect.......
Here's Cabela's number and I'm sure they can help you out.
How about a good old fashioned English response?
'Sorry, chap, but I really can't be arsed.'
"I'd be happy to... but you own a Kimber."
What PX15 and Dark Skies said. Especially what Dark Skies said!!!
If he still doesn't get it, do what SpecialKalltheway suggested; send him here. Although, chances are his time is too valuable/attention span too short, to benefit from forums such as this one.
I must alter my view on this guy. Prior to this, his time was too valuable. But now his time isn't worth crap, or he can go take some of the high value proceeds of his time and spend those very big bucks on the going price of ammo. As many have indicated, he is just selfish, lazy, and looking for a patsy. He is basically inferring that his time is worth more than yours.
"On the other hand, tell him you'll be happy to find the ammo for him, but he's got to provide the money and a "service fee" for the work involved. As long as he doesn't care what the cost is you can contact GA Arms and order a thousand of each in for him and take 10% as your "fee"."
not a bad idea, but how about you just buy it, dump it into a container and charge him what it cost plus the 10% and tell him you reloaded it yourself make sure you tell him what a deal you are cutting him as well
That's the one. He had money for two Kimber pistols, right? They aren't cheap. Cite your concern over liability, maybe point him to a few websites and let him work it out himself. If he doesn't have the wherewithal to do that much for himself he isn't worth the trouble. Be polite but firm. No need to be a jerk. IMHO FWIW.
I'm with you. See, my wife is the opposite. She won't turn down anything no matter how much it puts her out, and at times I've had to step in and say, "No, you're not going to do this, because I know you don't want to and your generosity is being taken advantage of." She's concerned that people think she's "nice", whatever that means to her.
I, however, have no such qualms, and if the answer is "No" then I really don't care how you feel about it, nor do I need to explain myself.
Thanks guys for all your advise...I just needed to hear that I wasn't the only one thinking I was being Used. He told out right that his time was to valuable to learn to reload. Meaning mine was not, and money could compensate for any thing. I did give him some leads on looking for the Ammo her wants but now he wants me to do the drudge work and just let him know how much money. I don't want to be his lackey either, let him do his own looking and put the orders on his Credit Card, and account not mine.
He's just kinda spooked about not being able to get his stock pile of ammo and wants me to do it for him one way or the other. I have decided I won't do it either way. He can do his own scrounging just like the rest of us. I guess several of ya are right he's not realy a friend at all.
It is kinds nice to know that I have something he doesn't and its galling to him.
I had a similar thing happen with a guy who used to own a store across the street from my store in Forest Hills, Queens, twice in 15 years he poped up in FL, and insisted on coming over very concerned about my bad back. I made him uncomfortable enough to where he won't be coming back again. Sometimes you have to just tell someone like that, that you really feel uncomfortable doing that favor for him, and you aren't in the ammo business. If that isn't enough , "it should be", then just tell him no, you don't need to explain yourself to him, and you aren't close enough to him to feel obligated to give him an explanation. Then just walk him out. You aren't going to see his butt again anyhow, and he is imposing on you.
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