Actual CCW contact survival experiences?

[charlie echo]

An acquaintance of a sister of my second cousin's friend knows this guy who awoke to find some burglars rooting through tools in his garage. He called 9-1-1 and reported two men committing a burglary in progress. The dispatcher indicated that no patrol car was in the immediate vicinity, but that the police would arrive in approximately 15 minutes. After hanging up, the man called the dispatcher back to tell her that there was no rush because he had just shot the two men dead. Within 60 seconds, multiple squad cars arrive on the scene and the police apprehend two never-been-shot and still-living burglars. One of the annoyed police officers shouts to the man in an angry voice: "I thought you said you shot these two men," to which the man replies: "I thought you said it would take you 15 minutes to get here."

Hah hahh, that's really thinking. Thanks.

 

[charlie echo]

attepted atm robbery. I had to pull my weapon but thankfully the brandishing stopped the threat. I had done dropped the safety off and was about to engage the hobgoblin.

Thanks.

 

[charlie echo]

Ok. A very very close friend, we'll call him Bob, told me of his encounter. It went like this.

As he was leaving work and was about to get into his truck, a Honda civic pull up on the other side of the truck. The civic was full, with 4 passengers in it. As he watched the left rear door flew open. A "gangsta" stepped out and pointed a sawed off ruger 10/22 at him. As the gangsta walked around the back of the truck he demanded his wallet. Bob gave him his wallet. As the gangsta walked back toward the civic around the back of the truck again, the driver told him to "waste the fool". Bob had all intentions to let him go, but when he heard the order, he drew his 1911 and pointed it at the gangsta's head. As the gangsta was raising his 10/22 toward Bob, bob tried to pull the trigger. Nothing. In what seemed like an eternity Bob realized he left his safety on. Right before the gangsta's weapon made it to Bob's direction, bob flicked off the safety and fired. The first shot hit the gangsta in the head. It took off the back 1/3 of the skull as it exited. Bob kept firing as the gangsta fell into the back of the civic. His shots followed the gangsta as he fell and he shot through the bed of his truck, some made it through, some didn't. Bob tried to reload, but the civic raced off. Later Bob found out the gangsta lived. He identified the attacker and now the gangsta is serving time. No sign of his "friends". No charges were pressed against Bob.

Lessons learned. Bob now carries a Glock without external safeties and higher ammo capacity.

My cop buddy swears by his Glock 21. thanks.

 

[ORHunter79]

Has anyone seen what a .45 ACP round will do to a watermelon at 3 yards.......how did this guy survive exactly??

Valid question, I asked him the same thing. Turns out he was using FMJ rounds. Ironically, one of his tenants (he owns a group of rentals) was the ER nurse who treated the "gangsta". After all came full circle, his tenant told him they would've let him die on the table if they would've known, but after he was dropped off at the hospital the cops told him the "gangsta" was a drive-by victim. After all was said and done, he had to identify the "gangsta". This was a task in itself, since they couldn't put a hat on him that would stay, since the back of his skull was gone, so a line up was out of the question. He ended up identifying him from old pictures that were taken years before. He still believes in the .45, but now owns a Glock 21 and uses quality hollow-points. I asked him why not FMJ since some didn't penetrate the bed of his truck and his answer was simple, use quality hollow-points and they should, if they hit a barrier, penetrate. To this day, I use Winchester PDX1's, since they are designed not to expand if a barrier is hit.

This is not a story of uncle's wife's cousin who know a guy......this happened. You can believe it or not, I don't really care. OP asked for a actual CCW contact survival experience and that's what I a gave. "Bob" is a family friend (more than that his a fellow Marine) and I will not betray his trust by giving names or locations.

I choose to learn from other peoples "mistakes" or lessons learned. Take it or leave it, your choice. I learned and attempted to share the lesson.

Side note: a human skull is nothing like a watermelon!!! That looks good on TV, that's about it. I can smash a watermelon with my bare hands easily, try that with a human skull using the same force. We humans are are lot more resilient that watermelons.

 

[allaroundhunter]

I completely believe you ORHunter. My grandfather was a coroner and a doctor in a small town in the 50's and a man tried to kill himself by shooting himself in the chest with a 12 ga shotgun. My grandfather was somehow able to save him...the human body is very weird in what it can withstand sometimes.

 

[charlie echo]

Valid question, I asked him the same thing. Turns out he was using FMJ rounds. Ironically, one of his tenants (he owns a group of rentals) was the ER nurse who treated the "gangsta". After all came full circle, his tenant told him they would've let him die on the table if they would've known, but after he was dropped off at the hospital the cops told him the "gangsta" was a drive-by victim. After all was said and done, he had to identify the "gangsta". This was a task in itself, since they couldn't put a hat on him that would stay, since the back of his skull was gone, so a line up was out of the question. He ended up identifying him from old pictures that were taken years before. He still believes in the .45, but now owns a Glock 21 and uses quality hollow-points. I asked him why not FMJ since some didn't penetrate the bed of his truck and his answer was simple, use quality hollow-points and they should, if they hit a barrier, penetrate. To this day, I use Winchester PDX1's, since they are designed not to expand if a barrier is hit.

This is not a story of uncle's wife's cousin who know a guy......this happened. You can believe it or not, I don't really care. OP asked for a actual CCW contact survival experience and that's what I a gave. "Bob" is a family friend (more than that his a fellow Marine) and I will not betray his trust by giving names or locations.

I choose to learn from other peoples "mistakes" or lessons learned. Take it or leave it, your choice. I learned and attempted to share the lesson.

Side note: a human skull is nothing like a watermelon!!! That looks good on TV, that's about it. I can smash a watermelon with my bare hands easily, try that with a human skull using the same force. We humans are are lot more resilient that watermelons.

Good notes, Thanks, again.

 

[Whacked]

this is a wild read

http://www.calguns.net/calgunforum/showthread.php?t=46699

see post #24 and 26

 

[charlie echo]

this is a wild read

http://www.calguns.net/calgunforum/showthread.php?t=46699

see post #24 and 26

That is wild! Thanks.

 

[Loosedhorse]

After all came full circle, his tenant told him they would've let him die on the table if they would've known

Medical ethics at its finest. I guess we all better start hoping that our surgeons like us. :banghead:

 

[Lawdawg45]

Mine actually happened many years ago before I became a police officer. I was coming out of one of our local hospitals after an evening EMT class, and I had parked in a ground lot across the street. As I approached my car I noticed a man sitting in an expensive sports car next to me, but I didn't give it much thought. As I unlocked my door this man exited his vehicle and put a knife to my throat and told me to be quiet. He took one hand away to go for my wallet and I elbowed him in the face while quickly drawing my S&W model 39, which was in a shoulder holster. I told him to "kiss his a** goodbye" and prepared to fire, but he ran like the ghetto coward he was, and I neither felt like chasing him nor shooting him in the back. They later learned he had broken into the sports car and other vehicles that night, and he was caught about 2 weeks later trying to do the same thing.

LD

 

[JPG19]

Valid question, I asked him the same thing. Turns out he was using FMJ rounds. Ironically, one of his tenants (he owns a group of rentals) was the ER nurse who treated the "gangsta". After all came full circle, his tenant told him they would've let him die on the table if they would've known, but after he was dropped off at the hospital the cops told him the "gangsta" was a drive-by victim. After all was said and done, he had to identify the "gangsta". This was a task in itself, since they couldn't put a hat on him that would stay, since the back of his skull was gone, so a line up was out of the question. He ended up identifying him from old pictures that were taken years before. He still believes in the .45, but now owns a Glock 21 and uses quality hollow-points. I asked him why not FMJ since some didn't penetrate the bed of his truck and his answer was simple, use quality hollow-points and they should, if they hit a barrier, penetrate. To this day, I use Winchester PDX1's, since they are designed not to expand if a barrier is hit.

This is not a story of uncle's wife's cousin who know a guy......this happened. You can believe it or not, I don't really care. OP asked for a actual CCW contact survival experience and that's what I a gave. "Bob" is a family friend (more than that his a fellow Marine) and I will not betray his trust by giving names or locations.

I choose to learn from other peoples "mistakes" or lessons learned. Take it or leave it, your choice. I learned and attempted to share the lesson.

Side note: a human skull is nothing like a watermelon!!! That looks good on TV, that's about it. I can smash a watermelon with my bare hands easily, try that with a human skull using the same force. We humans are are lot more resilient that watermelons.

As an Emergency Room technician for 7 years and a medical student, I find the idea that the nurse would have let the "gentlemen" die, had she known what he had done, to be completely and utterly unbelievable. I have worked with hundreds of various medical professionals in efforts to bring many-a-dead-guy back to life and never, not once, have we stopped to discuss the virtues or ethics of the helping the patient.

That being said, I'm glad your friend is okay it sounds like he performed flawlessly. Thanks for sharing.

 

[ORHunter79]

As an Emergency Room technician for 7 years and a medical student, I find the idea that the nurse would have let the "gentlemen" die, had she known what he had done, to be completely and utterly unbelievable. I have worked with hundreds of various medical professionals in efforts to bring many-a-dead-guy back to life and never, not once, have we stopped to discuss the virtues or ethics of the helping the patient.

That being said, I'm glad your friend is okay it sounds like he performed flawlessly. Thanks for sharing.

Yes, I agree, it does seem unbelievable, however, he's not the kind of guy to spice things up, so I have no reason to doubt him. Where this happened, a not-so-nice neighborhood, would probably shed some light. Either-way, I agree, ER techs do have a job to do no matter what. Maybe the ER tech was trying to comfort him, I don't know. In the end, they guy is serving time since he lived, so that's justice in my book, especially since part of his head missing.

 

[NOLAEMT]

The ER tech was just trying to make them feel better, or was otherwise being less than truthful.

Failing to render aid to someone because of their prior (no matter how recent) misdeeds is not something that is discussed, at all, in the medical community. If Osama bin Laden had shown up in any ER in the country, he would have been treated with the same vigor as any other person with his same condition.

So you can be assured that it doesn't matter what the story that accompanies you to the ER is after a self defense shooting, whether the staff thinks you are the "bad guy" or not, you will receive the best possible care.

I'm not trying to be rude, but I have literally never heard this from anyone of any standing in the medical field. I have treated rapists, drug dealers, gang-bangers, you name it, and while some of these people disgusted me, I still did everything in my power to give them the best care possible, as does everyone I know.

I would hate for someone to be afraid to seek medical attention (be them good or bad guys) because they were afraid of receiving sub-standard care.

 

[JPG19]

ORHunter79 & NOLAEMT - I read your comments as supportive of my post and, in an effort to clear up confusion, feel it is important to clarify that the post I responded to referenced a nurse, while I am the tech. I'm honestly not trying to nitpick, we just live in a hyper-clarified world. Do I read your posts correctly?

 

[NOLAEMT]

Yes. I agree, and I apologize for any confusion, I was referring to the story, and not to you. (it is late here, and I've been up for a while)

I have never heard someone discuss letting someone die or treating them any worse because of a criminal history or accusations, even up to the point that patients who have injured staff are still treated to the full ability of the staff and facility.

Sure these people aren't getting a hug from anyone if they pull through, but never are they "being left to die on the table" or any such nonsense.

 

[ORHunter79]

I think I might have caused the thread to digress a little from the OP main topic. OP, I apologize.

I told you a true account of an incident. Take it or leave it. The main point wasn't what the ER tech or nurse said, but what my friend did to survive.