Actual Shootout against armed killers.

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Having received some kind responses and some not so kind ones, I feel it might be opportune to respond to some comments. Firstly,I understand where some of those "doubts" come from and would like to say "no offense taken!"

I really enjoy this site and reading the various posts and enjoyed many of them.

I think it fair to say that not many people living outside South Africa understand the level of violent crime. My story here in Cape Town is not that unique,just over month ago there was a guy who shot 5 robbers with a 12 gauge pump! http://allafrica.com/stories/200901290502.html B.T.W. He is also a Boer!



I believe that the merits and facts of my incident have been well backed up by newspaper articles, photographs etc, however the style of my written account seems to have attracted (predictably) some less than kind responses. In the immediate weeks after the attack, my mental state would not have been of such a nature to write such a bravado story. As the dust has settled and my family out of shock, I feel that writing my account should be interesting and fun to read and that the perps should be mocked and diminished.

On the issue of the dead carjacker here are the facts. I have always used the word apparently when mentioning him and here is why:
After being shot, (as the police spokesman confirmed in the newspaper article I posted), from blood on the scene, excluding mine, two of them were clearly wounded by me) and have my neighbor witness him (and the others) flee to their getaway vehicle (the one shot in the chest, rather slowly and on all fours and helped by the getaway driver (perp no 4), all was quiet until 10 May. On 10 May the investigating detective came to collect my firearm as he needed it for ballistic tests as a corpse matching what had happened in my incident had pitched up at a police morgue in a different part of Cape Town. Bear in mind Cape Town is a city of 3.5 million people stretched out over more than 50 miles.

This carjacking linked murder spree had spread throughout the Cape Town peninsula and been going on for a year and now spread to the most affluent suburbs in Cape Town. If it sounds like my area is a slum, I would like to mention that it is in fact one of the most expensive suburban areas of South Africa, with houses starting (in US DOLLARS) in the range of $ 1,000,000.00. This issue had now become a political issue as the police appeared helpless. In the week of my incident the police had formed a national taskforce (Americans read "federal") and set up what they called a "war room" in Cape Town focusing on this issue. http://www.sapsjournalonline.gov.za/dynamic/journal_dynamic.aspx?pageid=414&jid=9047

About a month later he brought the gun back to me saying that the Public Prosecutor (Americans read District Attorney) had decided that as my firearm could not undergo regular ballistics and that the corpse had been identified as a prime suspect in this spree of killing and had 4 warrants for murder against him, they were not pursuing my case further. This suited me fine as the public prosecutor, although he can use discretion, usually opens a case against the victim and a court case follows where innocence/guilt/partial guilt gets scrutinized. I was dreading this and was glad that in my case such a case has not happened. These cases often take years and their toll, irrespective of outcome. So the fact is this corpse will never officially be my victim.

Lastly, our constitution is SO liberal and gives our scumbag criminals rights which are insane. These scumbags get off the most horrific crimes on the smallest and irrelevant technicalities. In this case in which there have been 60 arrests so far, the public prosecutor is, in my opinion, taking no chances and only bringing to court that which will jail these scumbags for as long as possible and with as little chance of possible of allowing technicalities to mitigate their guilt. This case will still take a long time but at least bail has been denied to all 60. I will know more of my attackers at the end of this case which my family and I are following keenly. We are not holding our breath.

I can't recognize the faces of my attackers as my whole fight only took about half a minute and was at night even though all of fighting took place in a radius of no more than 20 feet!

We had a case recently of a perp who robbed a bank and was shot in the leg by a security guard. He escaped and was arrested later. The guard could not identify his face. Although the bullet was lodged in his leg, our constitution would not allow that the bullet be removed and matched to the guard's gun! This case dragged on for 4 years. The perp committed another armed robbery while on bail and was eventually jailed for that one. While in jail the state were ordered to remove the bullet, which after being cruel and unusual to remove to prove his guilt now needed to be removed (at taxpayer expense) to alleviate his new found discomfort.

The joys of a liberal state and pantywaist judges! http://www.iol.co.za/index.php?sf=13&set_id=1&click_id=13&art_id=vn20080425065436982C345169
 
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Our gun laws mandate me to export it to them with a govt permit and import the new one with the same serial number.N.A.A would thus have to keep the old ,damaged one.

I would rather frame the damaged lifesaver

I'd never let go of that little gun.

Someone mentioned taking up a collection. I'd gladly pitch in a few $
 
Piratelooking@40,

Thank you, and others,for your kind sentiments regarding a collection for my gun, my insurance company will gladly settle me should I decide not to send the gun to N.A.A for free replacement (which NAA agreed to). I am going to keep the gun as it represents one of the few major events in my life.
 
You did good!

As a fellow South African, I'm always saddened to hear about what has happened to my country and it's people. Some of my family are still there and I worry about their safety. I only wish there was a way to prevent all that lawlessness and bring all the crime to a halt. Alas, I don't see that happening anytime soon......

Sterkte!
 
very interesting story. and if the only thing they took with them was your bullets imbedded in them well good job sir.
 
Missunderstood again. I am not concered about PB spelling. In fact I am pointing out he is a better writer than many of his critics. I have not written anything critical of the OP. It is an amazing story and one I feel inspired by.

Once again congratulations on beating the odds.
 
Proud Boer, I thought you'd at least be carrying a 7mm Mauser instead of a puny little thing like that. Your skill and instinct got the job done with the tool at hand. Congratulations on surviving.
A baby Glock in 45ACP or 10mm will serve you better.
Rhodesia also had a proud and magical history. My parents almost moved there from the UK.
 
Been to South Africa. All I can say is "wild west" is a tame description based on what I saw on the front page of the newspaper. This was in '99 and the first 5 pages of the local paper were of murders, agg. robberies and what not. Mind boggling!

I also dated a Boer for awhile. I too thought it was a rascist label when I first heard it. She corrected me.

Good on ya PB!
 
Good shooting Sir! Glad you & your family are O.K. When I first read the part about the gun blowing up and Proud Boar was describing his shrapenal wounds to his hand I thought a bullit had hit the gun on the edge of the cyl, & Knocked it out of alignment with the bbl. When the gun blew up, the force of the bullit & larger force in the oppiset direction forced the shrapenal back in to his hand. could this happen?
 
The clock is running out on "Boers". There is no future for them in the nations their ancestors built.
When the inevitable Rwanda-style slaughter occurs in SA and Zimbabwe, I hope there will be an "Adopt-A-Boer" program in place.
I've got two extra bedrooms where refugees can stay as long as it takes to get a foothold in their new country.
I'd be proud to help such fine people become new American citizens. We need them more than they need us!
 
Fiddleharp,

Thank you for your concern. Don't write us Boers off too quickly though. We know how to fight for that which is precious to us and this land sure is. We fought the British twice when they were the world's superpower. We beat them the first time and lost the second time after four years of bringing them literally to their knees. They had to resort to putting our women and children in concentration camps to win, even though they had a formal military force here of 500,000 and we had a informal army of 26,000. They were rich and we were relatively poor. In the Boer army at the time, a soldier had to bring his own horse, rifle, ammo and food!! We have been here since the 1600's and for a few hundred years made up the poorer class, in a world sense. Since we lost political power we have gain economic power to the extent that we totally dominate the economy.

Maybe we will have to cut our losses and run but don't hold your breath!!!

Kind Regards
 
Senior Member Join Date: 08-24-08
Posts: 304 "Am I the only one who noticed the part about the wife handing him the .45 and saying something to the effect of "Kill 'em all" "

If she lives in JO-town, why does SHE not know how to shoot?
 
"Boer, you are very proficient with such a measley handgun, I commened you once again. Good shoot."

Good for you PB but this old fart will defend himself with nothing less than a .357 mag and preferably with a .44 mag or 45 ACP. I'm just not as gutsy as you, I'll admit that right off the top. Going into combat with something that does not serve up substantial WHALLOP is not my idea of good sense.
 
The man is a Boer and is rightly proud of it. That is his heritage. He is also not a liar. In certain parts of the world this kind of thing happens. In South Africa it happens quite a lot. This gentleman, is however amongst the lucky few. He survived, by making his own luck. Not many get the opportunity to "live to tell". So pay the man some respect. Whilst he has given plenty of good advice, upon reflecting on his ordeal, I'm sure he will agree that in these situations your reflexes and instincts kick in. You could fill your pants and cry like a little girl when someone points a gun at you, or you can respond with agressive will to survive, as he did. He didnt have the luxury of having the ideal calibre at hand to defend himself against 3 attackers. He had a 22 magnum. Not ideal, but better than nothing. But what he had was the right INSTINCT, and he took them on no matter what. Reality is that in South Africa, you could hand over your keys, watch and wallet without any fight, and they would gun you down anyway. He's not a liar, he's simply ALIVE and if it was you, you would also be telling people about it. Proud Boer.. I salute you mate... =S=
 
A lady named Andrea Sjuit or Sujuit has been blogging for years about the crime gang and SA Farmer murders, in what was once a safe and prospering country.
 
With their firearms pointed at me, I drew mine (thank God for years of practice), and shot the apparent leader of that gang in the chest - he screamed like a stuck pig and staggered backwards.
And yet, we are frequently and confidently told that drawing against a drawn gun is a death sentence.

Besides Proud Boer's account, reading accounts of other successful self-defense situations will demonstrate that this bit of conventional wisdom is badly in error.
 
Only thing I can see that Proud Boer did wrong...is leaving any of them alive. Good job, sir! I only wish there were more like you in this world, who were willing to stand up for themselves and their families, instead of being a "good little victim" like the liberal pantywaist politicians (the Clintons, Schumer, Boxer, Feinstein, Brady, Kennedy, and Obama come immediately to mind) would like us to be. To them, the criminals are just "poor, misguided victims of society", and therefore deserve more rights than their real victims. Dead criminals are cheaper - the taxpayers don't have to pay for their trials, court-appointed lawyers, endless appeals, feeding, clothing, and housing them for umpteen years, and finally worrying about what crimes they'll commit once they get out.
 
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