AD from a smart carry type holster

[Erik]

Glad you're OK and thank you for contributing your experience so others may learn.

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As for your commercial airline pilot friend, it sounds like he might either not be a commercial airline pilot carrying "in aircraft," might be a TSA FFDO carrying something else some other way than you described, or... maybe something else.

http://www.tsa.gov/lawenforcement/programs/ffdo.shtm

 

[Borch]

Hell of a story. Glad to hear you'll still be fully functional.

Personally, I have never considered Smart Carry or Thunderwear as an option, it just never looked very comfortable. Now I definately won't ever consider it as an option. There are plenty of other methods of concealment that work just fine for my purposes and won't put me in a position to blow my nuts off.

 

[camslam]

Now I definately won't ever consider it as an option. There are plenty of other methods of concealment that work just fine for my purposes and won't put me in a position to blow my nuts off.

If you have other methods of carrying that work for you, congrats and enjoy.

I would be interested if ANYONE has experience or knows of someone that had either an AD or ND while using an actual Smartcarry?

I've never come across one, but I would imagine they are out there.

 

[HammerBite]

I don't understand in what position you were wearing the SmartCarry knockoff (SCKO)? If I squat down or sit down, the gun lies along my leg, as if I had laid it on my lap. The muzzle is at about the same level as my genitals, and if it were to go off either while standing up or while squatting, it would completely miss my important bits.

Would it completely miss the femoral artery?

 

[ColinthePilot]

Glad you're ok. Its rare to hear about a true AD, so thanks for the story. I was always wary of the Smartcarry system, as its a little too close to some other equipment that I value pretty highly. I carry a Sig P6 IWB in an Uncle Mike's Sidekick, but its decocked, there is no safety, but the DA trigger is pretty heavy, nothing is making its way into the trigger guard through the holster, and i carry either small of back or at the 3 o'clock position. I have plenty of butt to spare, and on the hip, the path of a bullet is pretty clear.

 

[flynlr]

I guess I am glad I use the "REAL " smart carry if I had shot 3 holes into a strategic area, i would not have any more strategic area.

 

[mr.72]

FWIW, the "thinness" of the knock-off SC is not a benefit. It's the thickness of the GUN that gets in the way, the SC is not an important factor. Also, you don't have to get bigger jeans or pants to fit the SC unless you wear skin-tight "girl jeans" (like, if you are a girl, for example), but you do have to choose pants that have a high waist if you intend to carry it "right" as so many people on this forum are prone to point out (entire gun below the belt line). This works fine for the Dockers and relaxed-fit crowd but doesn't work for me with a single pair of pants I own. YMMV.

 

[XDKingslayer]

Definately not an ND.

The only thing he did wrong was buy a cheap holster. Hardly negligent.

Not an AD either. I'll have to call this one an "Unintentional Discharge". I could have went for "premature" but no reason to rub salt on the wound.

 

[loneviking]

Naked Prophet wrote:

I don't understand in what position you were wearing the SmartCarry knockoff (SCKO)? If I squat down or sit down, the gun lies along my leg, as if I had laid it on my lap. The muzzle is at about the same level as my genitals, and if it were to go off either while standing up or while squatting, it would completely miss my important bits.

It seems you were wearing it too high. I'm not blaming you, I'm just comparing your injuries with my SmartCarry. I would not carry in a SC if it ever pointed at my genitals - I can't contort myself so that it does, and the only way I can see that it might possibly is if you were wearing it very high and to the right, which seemed very uncomfortable when I was trying different positions.

This video link is a good one to show how I was carrying. Notice that the guy in the video is carrying a Glock, midline to the body, with the butt of the gun under his belt. For me, being long waisted, I can get a four or five inch gun tucked in between my belt and the top of the genitals.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=nkEfZUwzLAs

Notice the wide stance that the guy takes when sitting down or squatting. His legs are very wide apart and that's exactly the position I was in when the gun went off. Notice also the bunching of the pant material. The guy in the video also posted this one, which I wish I would have noticed before I bought the knock-off rig, as you can feel and obviously manipulate the trigger through the knock off rig:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ecWvvIdosOc

The seller of the knockoff was Adventure Supply. The website that they have has been hacked and not put back up. Apparently, they make a lot of knock-off copies of stuff from Indiana Jones (such as Fedoras/Holsters) and the Laura Croft series.

The last link I posted relating to trigger safety is a 'must see' before you buy any sort of knock-off copy of a Smart Carry rig!

 

[Dain Bramage]

Unlike Bam-Bam 31, please don't post pictures of your injuries.

 

[krs]

I don't understand a reason to carry a pistol that will fire it's first round double action cocked and locked.

What possible reason is there for doing that when the CZ82 can be carried hammer down, safety off while still being ready to fire with a pull on the trigger.

This unfortunate occurance is the result of a very poor bit of gun handling and could as easily have happened with the patented Smart carry holster, IMO.

 

[rdrancher]

kingpin008

Dude, forget Chuck Norris. Anyone who sustains four high-velocity holes to his Cash & Prizes and walks home to get himself medical attention is one tough S.O.B.

THAT is the funniest line ever on THR...and I mean EVER! SERIOUS LOL

rd

 

[CJ]

Glad you'll be ok, and thanks for sharing. Hopefully it will be a learning experience for many, and might be saving someone else from a similar or worse incident.

I'll be sure to keep heavy DAO in my Smartcarry from now on!

 

[rmarcustrucker]

Glad your ok. I guess another reason that i've gotten into the habit of sewing plastic pieces on inside of my original smart carry units to cover front and back trigger area. I've also been using my revolver most of the time because it's so darn comfortable to carry, it's a .357 and has the CT laser grips. That heavy trigger is all the safety it needs.
I feel safe with Glock 27 , but I don't carry it as long, to thick with CT laser grips and not as comfortable to wear for long periods.

The picture is of the inside of my holster the white pieces are from the milk plastic milk carton sewed in. I'm always looking to be safer then sorry, thanks for sharing your unfortunate accident, it's convinced me to keep sewing those plastic pieces.

 

[loneviking]

The picture is of the inside of my holster the white pieces are from the milk plastic milk carton sewed in. I'm always looking to be safer then sorry, thanks for sharing your unfortunate accident, it's convinced me to keep sewing those plastic pieces.

Thanks for sharing that tip and proving that Yankee ingenuity is alive and well!!

 

[volfandan]

I agree with Kingpin008.

I bet Chuck Norris wears LONEVIKING pajamas.

Seriously though, LV.....glad you lived to tell about it, and best wishes on a speedy recovery. Also, don't get down by some of the posters bashing or over-analyzing your situation. It can happen to anyone, and it takes a real man of character to post on the web when it happens to him.

Thanks for sharing, and God bless.

 

[mfree]

AD....ND... UD... no. I think we should call this a new category.

Holster malfunction.

 

[ilcylic]

Holy Ow, guy. Glad to hear you came out of it as unscathed as you did. Still, definitely not on my list of things to do.

 

[Sean Dempsey]

So thats what they mean by cocked and locked.

 

[loneviking]

I don't understand a reason to carry a pistol that will fire it's first round double action cocked and locked.

What possible reason is there for doing that when the CZ82 can be carried hammer down, safety off while still being ready to fire with a pull on the trigger.

In brief, two reasons---speed and accuracy.

In a gunfight with a deep concealment rig like this, you're going to be behind the ball. The BG is already going to have a gun out and may be looking at your or have you in their peripheral vision. You now have to pull the gun out of concealment and your chances of doing that unobserved are not good. You also will have to sweep the gun toward the target, stop that movement/line up on the target and then pull the trigger.

In a gun or fist fight, the old rule is that 'whoever connects first is likely to win'. When that gun comes out, you'd better have it ready to go---and not have to rack the slide.

The second reason is tied into this and answers the question of 'why not DAO'? The DA pull is harder (often much harder) which, under stress, can cause you to jerk on the trigger trying to force the gun to fire. That throws your aim off. Now, not only are you slow getting your gun into play (BG already has his out), you've just missed your first shot giving the bad guy an opportunity to shoot you!

 

[conw]

Man, I am so so sorry this happened to you.

As a fellow man I can really empathize, in fact to an unpleasant degree, with your plight.

It would be easy to say something witty (by my standards anyway), but I will just let this one go and leave you with my wishes for a speedy recovery.

 

[lookn4varmints]

disregard....

 

[AK103K]

The second reason is tied into this and answers the question of 'why not DAO'? The DA pull is harder (often much harder) which, under stress, can cause you to jerk on the trigger trying to force the gun to fire. That throws your aim off. Now, not only are you slow getting your gun into play (BG already has his out), you've just missed your first shot giving the bad guy an opportunity to shoot you!

The only reason this would be, is because you havent practiced to the level of it not being an issue, and in reality, that doesnt take very much practice.

This is of course assuming you are carrying a pistol that has a reasonable DA trigger, which majority of "commercial" guns do. Some surplus military guns have terrible DA triggers, and need work prior to use.

I carry DA pistols and have never had a problem. In fact, my DA groups are usually tighter than my SA groups, so the trigger isnt usually the issue.

Its no slower to get into action, and there are no safeties to worry about being still on (or off at the wrong time) and all you do is shoot like you normally would. If all things go like they do in practice (allowing for Murphy of course ), the bad guy is going to be hit, and multiple times if I have my way.

 

[wuchak]

He should have bought as real Smartcarry. I have tried and cannot pull the trigger on my P-3AST through the Smartcarry fabric no matter what I do.

Bad choice of condition to carry that gun in. He should have decocked it and carried in DA mode.

He also had to have been wearing it too high to get the injury he did. My P-3AT covers but never points at my genitals, but then I wear it as direct by Smartcarry.

In a gunfight with a deep concealment rig like this, you're going to be behind the ball.

Nope. Worn properly the Smartcarry is a low appendix position. The appendix position is the fastest to get on target because neither your arm nor your gun have to move as far. It also lets you be ready for the draw with your hands in a natural position. The draw from the Smartcarry is very easy. Much more so than drawing from IWB at 3:15 with a shirt and jacket on.

 

[novaDAK]

bought a CZ 82 which is a Makarov design

actually the CZ82 is completely unrelated to a Makarov pistol. Only thing they have in common is caliber.