Sam1911
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The elite ESU of the NYPD use M&P .357magnum revolvers for special ops.
Ok, I'll bite. What kind of special ops do they use a revolver for?
The elite ESU of the NYPD use M&P .357magnum revolvers for special ops.
Only mentioned he had a .243, not that he planned to use it as a BOW. He's sticking with the 12 gauge, and searching for a pistol.Going back to his choice of a .243, if he really needs to "bug out" and get out of town, that's not a commonly available caliber as compared to, say, .308 or 12 ga. Just a thought.
USAF_Vet said:A buddy of mine is getting into 'prepping' for SHTF stuff. The thread is not about that, I know that subject is verboten.
He asked me, the closest person be has to a firearms expert, about getting a new gun in case he ever had to bug out.
He first asked about pistols, and after a basic primer on different types of actions (he's not well versed on handguns) he's considering the Springfield XD and the S&W M&P, in 9mm. He still wants to rent and test just to make sure.
I recommended a rifle, if he was really worried about SD/HD, and showed him a couple ballistic charts for various ammo, and overpenetration concerns with the same ammo.
But, things took a turn when I asked him how often he planned to practice. He said in all honesty, maybe once a year. This immediately changed my advice, which was leaning toward an M4 profile carbine. Without the dedication to learn an unfamiliar platform, and knowing he already had and was comfortable with his Mossberg 500, I advised him to stick with what he knows. I advised him to take a portion of his "new gun" budget and take a shotgun class. Since he still wants a pistol, a local training center offers a low light shotgun and pistol course, for $150.
He asked about accessories for his shotgun, and I advised him to keep it simple. A sling, fiber optic front sight, a fore end rail for a light, and maybe an optic and mount. Oh, and the 18.5" barrel.
Did I miss anything? I'm satisfied with my advise, but don't want to steer him the wrong way. I felt that dropping the money for a rifle he'd never become proficient with could get him killed if he ever had to use it in an emergency. Keep it simple, stick with what you know, was the gist of my advise.
I haven't read all of the intervening posts, but I'll offer my two cents. It's a good idea for your buddy to stick with the 12 gauge. IMHO, the 12 gauge pump shotgun may be the most versatile firearm available to him. (There may be some exotic stuff that'll do more, but I doubt it.) It'll enable him to swap from light loads to heavy to slugs, and he'll be able to hunt just about anything he needs to hunt. And the Mossberg is no slouch in the reliability department, so that shouldn't be overlooked.USAF_Vet said:. . . . He's sticking with the 12 gauge, and searching for a pistol.
Oh Sam....
The ESU(Emergency Services Unit) uses the big M&P R8 for use with body bunkers & "barricaded" subjects.
IMHO, the 12 gauge pump shotgun may be the most versatile firearm available to him
Eh, I'm not the one making the claim.You can contact the ESU or NYPD press office just like I can.
Oh...kay.Once again, Im singled out for the cyber-bullys.
Pretty much anyone who makes an unexpected/extraordinary claim around here is asked to verify where that information came from. If you don't, that's fine. Just say, "I can't verify this, but it is a rumor I heard."I think every member should be held to this high scrutiny.
Well, my goodness! I will say you win the gold medal award for irony this month! Heavens, that's rich!I shouldn't be required to provide sources or "drop names".
Maybe you've misunderstood.Strange how one mod is critical of me for doing one thing, yet another berates me for not doing it.
If you care enough to say it, provide some proof. I don't need to go tracking down every unusual thing you might say.BTW; if you research the forum threads you'll see the member message that states how ESU uses the M&P R8 .357magnum.
I still stand by the Mossberg, but only in so far that he's hunkered in the basement surrounded by concrete walls. Mobile, especially on foot, I know the ammo can dang near outweigh the gun. If mobile in a vehicle, a simple handgun would generally suffice.
Shotguns were used to tame the west because they invoked great fear in anyone with a brain. They had revolvers and lever acton rifles but most people owned a shotgun if they owned a gun at all.
Have you offered your friend an opportunity to just, y'know, go shooting?