AG Holder held in Criminal Contempt

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Holder will likely not be punished, but there is a useful purpose for the contempt resolution, especially the civil contempt charge. Congress can now go to a civil court and have the court force the DoJ to show cause why each document should not be turned over as demanded by Congress. The problem is that it can be a long process which would run past the election. Thus it would satisfy the probable purpose in declaring executive privilege... delay. We may not learn if the intent was further gun control until it is too late or moot.
 
“Why is this on a gun forum?”. The mind boggles.

I can’t believe what I’m reading here. Nobody seems to be able to look past today, let alone tomorrow.

This is a wake up call folks. Not only with the contempt of Holder but with the decision of Obamacare as well.

It would be inappropriate to post all I have to say regarding today on this forum. For those who may be interested, have a look at the link below.

http://www.freelibertywriters.com/c...onsopinions-now-fall-on-us-we-the-people.html

Nuff said.

Chris
 
I must say I'm disappointed by most of these responses, especially the apathy towards what should be seen as a step in the right direction for this case.
 
As much as I would like to see him disbarred, dismissed, and severely punished... its probably just going to grind on and on until after the election

by which time everybody will be sick of it and it will be less relevant anyway
and then it will just fizzle out from apathy and its own buraucratic weight.
 
I think most of us would love to see Holder punished for this, and the full truth to come out on F&F, but history, and especially recent history have shown that the political elites will protect each other. Most of us have resigned to the fact that Holder is hiding the truth, but there is nothing that we can do about it. He knows this as well, which is why he is going on vacation today, and not worrying about the truth coming out.
 
Wangmuf said:
I believe the civil trial will go down, but I don't think Justice will choose to prosecute their boss.
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I think it all comes down to whether a judge going to make them produce these documents to see if there is a cover up or a legitimate reason for the President to exert executive privilege.
 
Sure they'll prosecute, they'll put some young attorney on it who doesn't know what he's doing, and they'll put up a great legal team to defend Holder. It's like if you got to pick both teams during a pick-up basketball game. Tall guys on my team, little fat guys over there.
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I wish they'd seek the death penalty under the felony murder rule. That would shake things up. A young attorney just might go for it.
 
Heck I hold congress in as much contempt as I do Holder, we are ruled by an Imperial gov. that steals from its subjects and takes turns covering for each others transgressions.
As proof I would submit the fortunes those in high places in gov. accumulate during and after their tenure. They make a pretty sum and have some sweet benefits but nothing like the fortunes they make on inside trading and influence peddling.
 
Sure. Here you go.
http://features.blogs.fortune.cnn.co...Top+Stories)
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A real, comprehensive border policy would stop drug, human, gun, and money trafficking through our borders. No country in the world allows the traffic across it's borders with a third world nation like we do without knowing it is destrying itself from within.
Any policy that attacks one problem while ignoring the rest is doomed to fail.
 
The AG did more than just obstruct justice. This was nothing but an attempt to villafy guns and gun owners with the ultimate goal being weapon bans. They had to know that this would lead to, at best, deaths in Mexico or what did happen, the death of US citizens.
 
And on that Fortune article: Katherine Eban claimed five ATF sources that ATF had no gun walking tactic. Were those five the heads of Operation Fast and Furious who were removed from their jobs in Aug 2011 when the "Gunwalker" scandal broke:
* Dennis Burke, US Attorney for Phoenix AZ under OF&F, retired.
* Kenneth Melson, ATF director, transferred to DoJ.
* David Voth, supervisor Phoenix, transferred to HQ office job.
* Bill Newell, SAC Phoenix, xfr to HQ.
* William McMahon, ATF deputy director of operations, xfr to HQ.
All but McMahon are named in the Fortune article. The main source is David Voth, who now claims the only guns "walked" in the whole Operation F&F were six Draco AK pistols "walked" by whistleblower Dodson in an undercover operation.

http://features.blogs.fortune.cnn.com/2012/06/27/fast-and-furious-truth/
Katherine Eban, "The truth about the Fast and Furious scandal", Fortune, 27 Jun 2012.

The Fortune article is credible if you have not been following the issue the past year and a half and have only been skimming headlines.
 
Another well thought out addition from Yankeeflyr, congrats.



If you have the idea that nothing will happen, you have already rolled over and offered your belly to the beast. What a shame, what a shame.

It is our duty to not let this fail...get off your butts and turn off "Americas got talent" and voice your opinion. Since you all assume it is "theater"... and nothing will come of it.... then you will expect nothing will come of it. And when it starts moving that way, youll have already mentally prepared yourself for that hence you will accept it.

I on the other hand refuse to accept anything but justice...and if anything but justice appears to be coming of it, it will just step up my drive for getting the truth out..and awareness. While the rest will say... I figured that, as you go polish your firearms in the basement.

Sweet.

Where is the patriotic spirit... have you already considered yourself defeated ? Than you truly are... leeches on the patriotic few...leeches.


You should be ashamed. Its as much of a mental war against Americans than anything else, and if your weak minded.... youll accept that warfare and trudge on without raising your voice...
 
It doesn't matter what Holder did, knew, or intended. B.O. will hand him a "Get out of jail free" card. The only thing that will stop B.O. from pardoning Holder is the fear that he will not get reelected. Yet another reason we can't let him return to the White House for another term.
 
I gave a big cheer when I saw the news of Holder being cited, but -- the more important issue is the withheld documents themselves. Will they show up? I'd like to think so, but I sure won't bet my next meal on it.
 
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Sure. Here you go.
http://features.blogs.fortune.cnn.com/2012/06/27/fast-and-furious-truth/?section=money_topstories&utm_source=feedburner&utm_medium=feed&utm_campaign=Feed%3A+rss%2Fmoney_topstories+%28Top+Stories%29
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What a shock! They are trying to discredit the whistle blower. Who would have thunk of that.

More importantly, if you believe that article, I'm not sure what I could say to have you believe the truth. However if you are willing to listen with an open mind I would be willing to try.
 
I do not think this is a gun discussion

and does not belong on this forum, at the very least does not belong in this section. I would ask the mod to close it or move it.
 
Sam Cade:
Even though Mexico is not a third-world nation, some areas remind me of two parts of Africa.
My parents spent three years in San Miguel d. A., a nice town in Guanajuato where lots of full and part-time expats live.

Driving down the roads to either the airport in Leon or the city of Guanajuato, it reminded me more of my week in Mogadishu ('81) than it did the US.
Back to guns.
 
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