Ah, lovely California. All propositions fail.

[El Rojo]

Well so much for redistricting and being able to get rid of the Democrats. I really wanted that one to pass. Actually the one I was most excited about and when I went to bed was passing, but failed was the union dues. I thought for sure these morons would vote their pocket books. What idiots. Seriously this state is full of idiots. I mean the minors having to notify their parents they are getting an abortion didn't even pass. That one defies logic too. Yes this state is sunk, but I am not going anywhere. Some of us choose to stay and fight. So don't make this a thread about moving out, because we don't want to hear it.

I think I will start finding out today how to get my "political contributions" back from the teachers union.

 

[Standing Wolf]

I find I don't miss the temperate climate and beaches half as much as I used to.

 

[rick_reno]

California - a bad place with good weather.

 

[Werewolf]

I just don't get it...
I mean propositions to eliminate gerrymandering, limit govt spending, force teachers to earn tenure over a 5 year instead of a two year period, and forcing unions to get permission to spend one's dues on political contributions and each and every one FAILS?

HOW CAN ANY RIGHT THINKING PERSON BE AGAINST ANY OF THOSE THINGS?

Ah well - this is just one more proof of how democracy really is just another term that describes the tyranny of the mob.

The founders knew exactly what they were doing when they made land ownership a mandatory requirement in order for one to be eligible to exercise the voting privelidge.

 

[CAnnoneer]

My explanation is that many voters vote as told, not as they might think. Also, many are really badly informed and/or do not bother to go vote.

I did vote in favor of the redistricting but am not surprised that it failed as BOTH dem and rep politicians ganged up on their feeble-minded electorates to sink it. I guess now we know where their loyalties lie and on what they always agree - the preservation of the status quo and their own personal interests!

 

[Master Blaster]

What really happened here is that all the liberals voted against The Governator.

It did not matter what the propositions said.

The actually voted against repealling Utility derregualtion which was passed in 1996, and caused huge increases in the cost of electricity, huge profits for ENRON, and huge Debt for the state.

They voted FOR higher electric bills.

 

[TexasRifleman]

So to those of us that have been recommending abandoning California as a lost cause for so long anyway, what now?

We've been hearing over and over how it's not really the majority that want this or that, but it's just a stong minority with a loud voice.

Well, it appears that is not the case. What now? The "will of the people" is to live in a welfare state, headed for financial ruin, and unarmed in the process.

It's the will of the people, I wish the people the best of luck, and I wish the few of you holdouts the best of luck in planning your escape. Escape now seems to be your only option.

(posted from the San Jose Airport, where everyone is "so excited" that San Fran has voted in Prop H, and they are hoping it will happen here next. I'm flying back to Texas, and I hope I won't be back here again).

 

[Stainless Chili]

California is a great place.
I was lucky enough to live there for almost two years, and wish I could do it again.

My wife had it with the small small town mentality, but up in the hills, the gun laws do not seem to stringent. Except one-a-month from an FFL's showcase.

I was wondering today is the Gov could QUIT his job if he wanted to. You know, have a tantram, and tell the voters "The Heill width youh".

Has any elected official just walked out? Besides resigning from impending corruption charges.

 

[MikeyBee]

Wow, Chili, I was thinking exactly the same thing.

The governer should resign saying, "If you don't want to help yourselves, I can't help you. Bye."

 

[Creeping Incrementalism]

My explanation is that many voters vote as told, not as they might think. Also, many are really badly informed and/or do not bother to go vote.

I did vote in favor of the redistricting but am not surprised that it failed as BOTH dem and rep politicians ganged up on their feeble-minded electorates to sink it. I guess now we know where their loyalties lie and on what they always agree - the preservation of the status quo and their own personal interests!

Judge Wapner was also on TV saying it was bad! Didn't you see him?

Though three judges may be bad (as Wapner said), having the legislature draw their own boundaries is the absolutel worst. The lines they draw are so crazy, I wonder why they don't just decide that districts don't have to be contiguous.

 

[Can'thavenuthingood]

It appears that we have achieved over 50% of the population dependant on the government nipple.

Hang on to your pocket books, the potlickers are drooling in Sacramento.

It's a cancer.

Vick

 

[dasmi]

Today, I am ashamed to be a California, but proud to be a San Diegan. The reform props did well in San Diego, and we elected Sanders, not that old surfer moonbat Frye.

 

[BenW]

I guess now we know where their loyalties lie and on what they always agree - the preservation of the status quo and their own personal interests!

At least my man Tom McClintock (who has a lot to lose being a Republican in So Calif) was strongly supporting the Proposition.

 

[DigitalWarrior]

San Diego's last mayor threw a tantrum and quit

He was named one of the worst mayors in the country by time magazine. So he quit.

 

[Luchtaine]

I can't say I was suprised.

 

[dasmi]

He was named one of the worst mayors in the country by time magazine. So he quit.

He was one of the worst mayors in the country. Maybe now Jerry Sanders can get something done.

 

[Creeping Incrementalism]

The actually voted against repealling Utility derregualtion which was passed in 1996, and caused huge increases in the cost of electricity, huge profits for ENRON, and huge Debt for the state.

They voted FOR higher electric bills.

From the Libertarian Party of California.

"And finally, Prop. 80 is not a viable solution to whatever perceived problem its sponsors are trying to solve. California's regulatory environment is ultimately responsible for there being insufficient electrical generation and distribution capacity in the state, and has brought California's primary energy companies to the brink of bankruptcy—and beyond. More government is not a fitting solution to a government failure.

In other words, the real reason behind high prices is the fact that environmentalists won't let generation plants be built. Supply & demand.

Also, this prop would hae sucked because it would have prevented people from switching from private utilities to other electric providers, and would have required 20% of electricity be from renwable sources by 2010. There's a reason it isn't used already--because it costs more.

The official budget analysis also said that overall, it wouldn't save the state gov't any money.

 

[longeyes]

I still, for now, live in California. The election results were a bit, but only a bit, surprising. General political ignorance, rampant selfishness, an identification of Schwarzenegger as an Austrian Bush, a massive and expensive propaganda campaign by special interests all led to what happened. There just aren't enough rational voters left who believe in personal initiative and personal responsibility. Schwarzenegger was elected to bring California back to fiscal solvency. He's tried but apparently no one is willing to give up anything to live within our means. Is the answer "soaking the rich?" I doubt it: the "rich" are going to Nevada.

THIS IS NOT JUST A CALIFORNIA PROBLEM. Those who think it is are deluding themselves and making it easier for the socialists.

 

[Creeping Incrementalism]

THIS IS NOT JUST A CALIFORNIA PROBLEM. Those who think it is are deluding themselves and making it easier for the socialists.

That's right. Consider us a preview of what will happen if you don't act now.

 

[Can'thavenuthingood]

The "rich" are the property owners, the homeowners that bought years ago and Prop 13 stops the potlickers from taking more money. Property owners are the last cash cow in California. Somewhere in Sacramento there is a room full of lawyers, accountants and other money sucking thieves looking for loopholes in Prop 13.

Can't afford to pay the property taxes? Sell and the new owner is taxed at the newly established assessed rate. The potlickers win again.

That sucking sound you hear is the socialists gasping in delight.

Vick

 

[ElTacoGrande]

I don't plan to leave, but as of now, I don't plan to buy any more property in this state.

Only two other cities in the country -- Washington, D.C., and Chicago -- have similar bans.

I love SF and it would be a tragedy if SF became a place like DC with a sky-high murder rate. This ban is a disaster. Also the ban on manufacturing firearms. That's crazy. The one thing SF needs are more working-class jobs. That is a constant complaint there. Firearms manufacturing is environmentally friendly, does not introduce firearms into the community, and it's the kind of business SF should be attracting. Actually there are quite a few firearms manufacturers in CA that don't sell any of their products here, so CA gets all of the benefits of having businesses here, but none of the firearms. Kinda like in Japan or Singapore where they also manufacture quite a bit of arms.

Ah this whole thing is sad. I had hopes for Prop 77.

I still don't think it's time to abandon CA. This was NOT a referendum on gun ownership. I think gun issues played only a very minor role in this election, except in SF. The way this played out does not tell us what are the prospects of the RKBA amend, for example. Prop 73 came very close to passing, and I think the RKBA amend will be more widely supported than Prop 73 was.

I think the issue with this election was mainly a referendum on Arnie. Also many voters were upset about all the money that was spent on it, and they thought it was a "nuclear option" tactic from Arnie (which is accurate). Finally, as is often the case with props in CA, all of the issues were slightly confusing, some of them were mind-boggling, like the perscription initiatives. Voters didn't like that.

 

[longeyes]

I think the issue with this election was mainly a referendum on Arnie. Also many voters were upset about all the money that was spent on it, and they thought it was a "nuclear option" tactic from Arnie (which is accurate). Finally, as is often the case with props in CA, all of the issues were slightly confusing, some of them were mind-boggling, like the perscription initiatives. Voters didn't like that.

I think it was a referendrum on addiction. I speak metaphorically, of course. There are a lot of clouded minds in this state. Arnold, like Bush, has the problem of being The Strong Father that people both want but desperately fear. In the end fear won.

 

[R.H. Lee]

I voted against 'em all. I can't believe we had to have a special election for the nonsensical crap that was on that ballot.

 

[ElTacoGrande]

I voted against 'em all. I can't believe we had to have a special election for the nonsensical crap that was on that ballot.

Well, there you go, that's why they all lost. RH Lee, do you realize that if Prop 77 had passed, we might be able to get CCW reform within the next few years? Oh wait, you're in SLO so you can probably get a permit if you want one, so maybe you don't care. Do you realize that, because Prop 77 did not pass, we are likely to get some looney gun laws, including possibly a state-wide handgun ban? That kind of law WILL reach you even in SLO. Is a statewide handgun ban just "nonsensical crap" to you?

 

[Sawdust]

At least my man Tom McClintock (who has a lot to lose being a Republican in So Calif) was strongly supporting the Proposition.

Howdy neighbor.

+1 on McClintock...

Sawdust