AHHHH Case rim keeps tearing off

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Hello all I have another reloading question. I just got my RCBS small base 223 sizing die back from the factory were they removed a stuck case. I also got my Dillon FL sizer die back were they surprise surprise removed a stuck case and replaced some broken parts. Anyway I got these dies back about three days ago and they now have stuck cases in them again:banghead:. I have no idea why the cases keep getting their rims ripped off. I am using a good lube and this only happened once in a blue moon but lately it is a common occurence. Now both my dies are down days after I just got them back. Has anyone had case rims keep ripping off? I am using a Lee Pro 1000 if that makes any difference at all. I want to scream, curse and throw that @#@$ing press out the window:cuss:. Can anyone help me with this problem?
 
1. Exactly What good lube?

2. And Exactly how & where are you applying it the the cases?

3. Also, make sure you have a #4 shell plate in it.

4. That it is not damaged in any of the shell stations.

5. And that it is indexing perfectly right perfectly centered under the sizing die.

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If you look around you can find the pix on this forum to make your own case puller with a drill,tap,socket,and a bolt it worked for me on 250sav I did soak all day with kroil the case came out with ease :)
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Dillon rifle dies have a built in stuck case remover.

Put the Dillon die in the press, then remove the spring clip from the top and run the top portion down with a 9/16" wrench, then back up and return the spring clip to its original location.

Page 4 step 5 of the instructions that came with it.

They are here too. http://www.dillonprecision.com/docs/dillon_die_instructions_may_2007.pdf

Now that you have the case out, apply a few squirts of Dillon lube to the cases and let them dry. Then give it a try.
 
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I am using Hoppes mechanical oil. If you have never heard of it, it is a thicker clear lubricant in a orange bottle. Not to be confused with the solvent. I have used it for thousands of rounds with very little problem. I apply it to the case neck and body basically all over the case then the next three or 4 cases don't have to be lubed because the inside of the die is well oiled. It makes my RCBS SB die much easier to use.
 
yeah, you complain about stuck cases, then tell us how good the lube is? Sorry, doesn't work that way, especially when you aren't even lubing all of the cases.
 
I tried a couple different dies for .223 and kept getting stuck cases so I finally bought Dillon dies and have never had another problem.
 
You need to get some real case lube. Oil (or any petroleum product) is not only a very bad case lube, but can cause issues with primers and powder if it's not all removed. I've been using Lee's case lube in the plastic tube and I've yet to have a stuck case. Imperial sizing wax is also supposed to work great, but I've never used it.

Matt
 
I have never heard of anyone sticking a case in any brand of sizing die when using Imperial Sizing Wax. It's not expensive and a 2oz tin lasts for years!
 
Agreed, you need better case lube. Imperial sizing wax, or Hornady Unique case lubes, rub a bit on your fingers, then the case.
No more stuck cases.
 
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I am using Hoppes mechanical oil. If you have never heard of it, it is a thicker clear lubricant in a orange bottle. Not to be confused with the solvent. I have used it for thousands of rounds with very little problem. I apply it to the case neck and body basically all over the case then the next three or 4 cases don't have to be lubed because the inside of the die is well oiled. It makes my RCBS SB die much easier to use.
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That is definitely not case lube young grasshopper. Even a cheap $2 tube of lee case sizing lube will go a very very long way. just smear a little around on the inside of a gallon ziploc bag, throw some cases in and shake and mash em around for a minute.
 
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I am using Hoppes mechanical oil. If you have never heard of it, it is a thicker clear lubricant in a orange bottle. Not to be confused with the solvent. I have used it for thousands of rounds with very little problem. I apply it to the case neck and body basically all over the case then the next three or 4 cases don't have to be lubed because the inside of the die is well oiled. It makes my RCBS SB die much easier to use.
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Avoid lubing the outside of the case neck, or the case shoulder. Just lube the main body with proper case lube and you'll be fine.

There's home-made improvised ways to remove a stuck case, check out youtube.
 
You shouldn't use that lube, as you have seen first hand. Get a lube pad and some name brand case lube. They all work, using the pad, you will learn to only lube the case, not the neck or shoulders. You will not have stuck cases. Or as mentioned by those in the know, a small can of Imperial put on with your fingers will work just fine and last a long time. Lube every case.
 
I have never heard of anyone sticking a case in any
brand of sizing die when using Imperial Sizing Wax.
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I have -- M1A/308Win case in an RCBS small-base sizing die.... twice. :banghead:
(See HERE.)

Switched back to RCBS Case lube (squeeze bottle) and everything went smooth as silk.
(Imperial apparently tends to dry/harden when left for a length of time in the die. Unless you
clean it out w/ mineral spirits, it'll get stiff on using the die again.
RCBS Case Lube doesn't care -- it just works all the time/every time -- for 46 years now.)

RuggedAK: Read & heed -- RCBS Case Lube
 
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Wrong way of using lube. Just because the die is wet with lube does not mean the stuff will adequately lube the next dry cases. I'll bet your lube is fine.

Do this.

Lube each and every case. Just make sure the lube is spread completely down the sides of the case. A case that is thoroughly covered with a thin film is better than one with spotty thick coverage. Lube does not automatically spread itself from one surface to another when the 2 surfaces are scraping against each other. If you get dents in the shoulder or your die starts dripping oil, you are using too much.

I've used STP oil treatment, Bag Balm, Vaseline, motor oil, Lee, Lanolin. They all work, but the way you use it is more important than the lube. Yes, some work better than others and maybe Imperial Sizing Wax can make up for small missed areas, but if you are thorough, just about anything with decent lube qualities will work.

Good luck
 
I have done it before and every time it was a lube problem on my part, I did not lube enough. I bought the RCBS stuck case remover and let me tell you it works great. I have used it 3 times and 3 times it did what it was suppose to do.
 
I apply it to the case neck and body basically all over the case then the next three or 4 cases don't have to be lubed because the inside of the die is well oiled. It makes my RCBS SB die much easier to use.
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Incorrect application of your case lube as you found out.



Wrong way of using lube. Just because the die is wet with lube does not mean the stuff will adequately lube the next dry cases. I'll bet your lube is fine.

Do this.

Lube each and every case. Just make sure the lube is spread completely down the sides of the case. A case that is thoroughly covered with a thin film is better than one with spotty thick coverage. Lube does not automatically spread itself from one surface to another when the 2 surfaces are scraping against each other. If you get dents in the shoulder or your die starts dripping oil, you are using too much.

I've used STP oil treatment, Bag Balm, Vaseline, motor oil, Lee, Lanolin. They all work, but the way you use it is more important than the lube. Yes, some work better than others and maybe Imperial Sizing Wax can make up for small missed areas, but if you are thorough, just about anything with decent lube qualities will work.
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This ^^^^^^^^^^^^is the best advice. I have also used a lot of different lubes for resizing. I've also used a lot of the same lubes as rsrocket1. Proper application is the key.

It would be a good suggestion you buy a stuck case remover and learn how to use it. Stuck cases are no big deal, but if you keep getting them, you're doing something wrong.
 
Roll a bore brush on a lube pad.
Then clean the case necks with it.

The brush bristles will transfer just the right amount of case lube in the neck without ever putting in too much.

rc
 
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